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Doc Jon

Rain Partier

Postby Doc Jon » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:42 pm

The President wrote:
Yeah but if it were a true collaboration, the artist would have a say in everything before he did the work.


But straight up 50/50 when the art takes so much time doesn't float the boat of most artists.

Again, let's be honest, if comics were just text everyone would have one out there.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:44 pm

Doc Spider wrote:
But straight up 50/50 when the art takes so much time doesn't float the boat of most artists.

Again, let's be honest, if comics were just text everyone would have one out there.


And that's why many of those artists fail.

It's like an architect and a construction worker. The construction worker does all the work, but without the architect, your building would crumble.
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Doc Jon

Rain Partier

Postby Doc Jon » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:45 pm

The President wrote:
It may be easier, but it's the most important part now.

More people follow writers now than they do artists. Many artists can't accept that.


But the art is still the most arduous part of creating a comic. And if you want to submit to a publisher, necessary. A publisher will always want to look at an artist, but most will have no interest in writers without some art to accompany it.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:46 pm

Doc Spider wrote:
But the art is still the most arduous part of creating a comic. And if you want to submit to a publisher, necessary. A publisher will always want to look at an artist, but most will have no interest in writers without some art to accompany it.


That's out of laziness on the publisher's part. It takes a minute to look at drawings but is time consuming to read a script.
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Doc Jon

Rain Partier

Postby Doc Jon » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:46 pm

The President wrote:
And that's why many of those artists fail.

It's like an architect and a construction worker. The construction worker does all the work, but without the architect, your building would crumble.


Many of those artists fail because they would like to be compensated for their time?
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J.M. Hunter

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby J.M. Hunter » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:47 pm

Rebis wrote:Reading this thread, I feel like not everyone has taken the time to familiarize themselves with the various submissions policies publishers have. Here's a guide to all of them:

http://www.optimumwound.com/the-submiss ... iverse.htm



I'm sorry but Tom Spurgeon is a bit of a penis. I know this from personal experience.


Still thanks for the link.

My personal attempt was going to involve researching various publishers sub guidelines that I thought I'd be a good fit for and then going from there.

Which is what I'd encourage others to do as well, but didn't want to invade on their own method.

As far as putting in work to other small press imprints or anthologies. I'm guilty of that. I am one of them as well. As we have an anthology that's supposed to be finally coming out.

I'm talking about taking it the next step. I've done the real indy route of apa's and anthologys and small press. Looking to take it to the next level where there's a bit more distribution help.

If I get rejected? I can always go back to the smaller press, self publish route.
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Arion

Twenty-Something

Postby Arion » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:47 pm

Rebis wrote:Reading this thread, I feel like not everyone has taken the time to familiarize themselves with the various submissions policies publishers have. Here's a guide to all of them:

http://www.optimumwound.com/the-submiss ... iverse.htm


Excellent. Thanks for the link Rebis.
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Doc Jon

Rain Partier

Postby Doc Jon » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:48 pm

The President wrote:
That's out of laziness on the publisher's part. It takes a minute to look at drawings but is time consuming to read a script.


Actually, the reason I've been given is that writers are a dime a dozen.

You have writers that can do 3-4 books a month if asked to.
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Tintin Quarantino

Rain Partier

Postby Tintin Quarantino » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:48 pm

:lol:
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:49 pm

Doc Spider wrote:
Many of those artists fail because they would like to be compensated for their time?


Actually, yes.

They are shortsighted and look to the immediate paycheck instead of trying to develop an idea.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:50 pm

Doc Spider wrote:
Actually, the reason I've been given is that writers are a dime a dozen.

You have writers that can do 3-4 books a month if asked to.


And it's ideas like that why comics are in the toilet.

Just because Scott Lobdell can write 3-4 books a month doesn't mean he should.
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Tintin Quarantino

Rain Partier

Postby Tintin Quarantino » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:50 pm

Arion wrote:
Excellent. Thanks for the link Rebis.


You're welcome, Arion. It's been a year since it was updated, so there's always a tiny chance an individual policy may have been changed in the meantime, but it's a pretty comprehensive list. You're quite talented and I hope you go far.
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J.M. Hunter

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby J.M. Hunter » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:51 pm

The President wrote:
It's very true.

A lot of comic artists look down at writers because they think of comics as a visual-only medium and that they do all the work.

It's pretty much how Image was founded. Then those guys realized how hard it was to write and hired writers of their own.



All joking aside. I'm both. I can write and I can draw. I've self-published and been in anthologies as well as working on a large one that's years...(literally) in the making. I don't think you quite know what you're talking about...but am willing to accept the challenge if you want to go for the Gauntlet and see which of us makes it through?
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Arion

Twenty-Something

Postby Arion » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:53 pm

Rebis wrote:
You're welcome, Arion. It's been a year since it was updated, so there's always a tiny chance an individual policy may have been changed in the meantime, but it's a pretty comprehensive list. You're quite talented and I hope you go far.


Well, I've seen it has a LOT of publishers, some I haven't even heard about.

Thanks for your words, Rebis.
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J.M. Hunter

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby J.M. Hunter » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:53 pm

Doc Spider wrote:
Actually, the reason I've been given is that writers are a dime a dozen.

You have writers that can do 3-4 books a month if asked to.



:lol:

Only if they have an outline!!!!

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