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by **habitual** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:11 pm

Doozer wrote:
That's not only a silly position, but demeans both religion and non-religion alike.

The acceptance or rejection of things based on verifiable evidence is a far cry from acceptance or rejection based on faith in the absence or in spite of verifiable evidence. Both have their ups and downs, but they're hardly dealing with the same principles.

As Bill Maher put it, "atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position".

You contradict yourself in your own post.

They are both belief systems that may have a different basis for forming their own world views, but, that doesn't demean them or differentiate them in any way.

I think it's very condescending to say that they are different because one is based on the scientific method.

Also, you're face is silly.

Hab

by **Doozer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:22 pm

There's no contradiction. Evidence based acceptance/rejection =/= faith or religion.

If someone showed me a plate that I saw as empty, and told me that it was full of cookies, but we just couldn't see, touch or smell them, but they were certainly there and were delicious, judging the plate as empty wouldn't be worldview, it's a conclusion reached from looking at the plate. Coming to the conclusion that the plate is empty has absolutely no greater significance or belief system involved. I don't believe that an empty plate is empty, I just accept that evidence has shown that it is and go about my business.

by **Keb** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:31 pm

Doozer wrote:"You are not alone - American Atheists" would have been a much simpler and better message. These people are trying to provoke an emotional response from believers, not a rational response from people questioning their beliefs.

I agree. That's what annoys me.

I grew up in an Evangelical church environment (at least from age 9-14) and one of the things that, in retrospect, bothers me is how the pastor of one of the churches I went to was constantly attacking Islam, not because of the principles of the faith (this was before suicide bombing became mainstream) but because he didn't think that the very first mosque in the small white town I grew up in deserved any attention and that his church (church no. 3453 in the city) deserved more praise. In essence, he was preaching hatred and one time my brother wrote a letter to him. He has never apologized although years later he was involved in some sort of adultery scandal that involved a child out of wedlock and shit. He's kind of a hypocrite.

I feel like a lot of atheists are doing the same thing. They are not willing to let people have their beliefs in God because they feel that they can disprove God's existence with science. They even go so far as to shove it down your throat, much like the evangelical church or militant muslims do. It disappoints me that their main message is that they can disprove the existence of God but they result to the exact same tactics that monotheists do to get their message out there.

by **habitual** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:31 pm

Doozer wrote:There's no contradiction. Evidence based acceptance/rejection =/= faith or religion.

If someone showed me a plate that I saw as empty, and told me that it was full of cookies, but we just couldn't see, touch or smell them, but they were certainly there and were delicious, judging the plate as empty wouldn't be worldview, it's a conclusion reached from looking at the plate. Coming to the conclusion that the plate is empty has absolutely no greater significance or belief system involved. I don't believe that an empty plate is empty, I just accept that evidence has shown that it is and go about my business.

The more you proselytize about it, the more religious it sounds. What you seem to be doing is forming an argument as why your belief system is superior to others

But at the end of the day a belief system is a belief system and that's what you use to form your world view which isn't any different than any other religion.

Hab

by **Doozer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:32 pm

habitual wrote:
The more you proselytize about it, the more religious it sounds. What you seem to be doing is forming an argument as why your belief system is superior to others

But at the end of the day a belief system is a belief system and that's what you use to form your world view which isn't any different than any other religion.

Hab

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You're talking in circles.

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by **habitual** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:33 pm

Doozer wrote:
You're talking in circles.

I don't think so. I just don't think you can see the forest for the trees.

Hab

by **Doozer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:35 pm

habitual wrote:
I don't think so. I just don't think you can see the forest for the trees.

Hab

Hab

by **habitual** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:37 pm

Doozer wrote:

Hab

Brilliant.

Not as brilliant as your empty plate does not equal religion analogy, but, still brilliant.

You should have your own Guinness commercial.

Hab

by **CountD** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:39 pm

You don't see agnostics hanging up stupid billboards.

agnostics are pretty mellow.

by **CountD** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:40 pm

The problem with religion is this "you're with us or against us" mentality.

Atheism to some degree, too.

by **Doozer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:41 pm

habitual wrote:
Brilliant.

Not as brilliant as your empty plate does not equal religion analogy, but, still brilliant.

You should have your own Guinness commercial.

Hab

I don't understand why people like arguing with you. You don't make any sense and then go "ah-ha! gottcha!"

Although, maybe people just like easy targets. :smt102

by **Doozer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:41 pm

CountD wrote:The problem with religion is this "you're with us or against us" mentality.

Atheism to some degree, too.

I agree.

by **habitual** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:42 pm

CountD wrote:The problem with religion is this "you're with us or against us" mentality.

Atheism to some degree, too.

It's that aspect that makes it somewhat religious.

Even the ad itself says you have a "choice".

Atheist's view it as a rejection of religion, when that in of itself makes it so similar to religion that it's impossible to differentiate.

Sort of like not choosing not to decide is a decision in of itself.

Hab

by **CountD** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:42 pm

Doozer wrote:
I agree.

Paterson is still gonna riot. I mean protest.

by **CountD** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:43 pm

habitual wrote:
It's that aspect that makes it somewhat religious.

Even the ad itself says you have a "choice".

Atheist's view it as a rejection of religion, when that in of itself makes it so similar to religion that it's impossible to differentiate.

Sort of like not choosing not to decide is a decision in of itself.

Hab

I somewhat agree with you!