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[CountD]

You can't say what you have in mind without being condescending? Well, tell me the idea behind what you were going to say, like, abstract it more or something.
If it's an insult or something, then maybe it's not so much an explanation.

pfft. when have I ever insulted n e one here?

that's totally not my style.

[CountD]

I was baptized and confirmed as a Lutheran, but I no longer hold any religious beliefs. I don't not believe, but I don't believe. I sort of have a belief of not believing in ANYTHING fully. Not even science. I just exist.

believe half of what you see, none of what you hear.

[DMM]

believe half of what you see, none of what you hear.

/Lou Reed'd

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I don't see why it is offensive to you. It would be akin to a Muslim group or Jewish group putting a billboard up in an area densely populated with Atheists that says "You know it's the truth, and there's a place you can go to learn more. Muslims of America.com or whatever." The true Atheist will see that and think "those people are idiots" or something. If there is an atheist kid that was raised by atheists and pressured to be atheist that sort of believes in God, he/she may be moved by that sign to do a little research and find a home in the Islamic religion and live happily ever after.

I'd do something that doesn't talk about the other belief. "If you are interested in learning about Islam, call [number]."
That way I'll have an easier time avoiding crap.
See, I don't like that kind of thinking: "these people are idiots, they're wrong, I'm right." Things are more complicated than this. I know it's a hard habit to give up, but anyone can give it up if they wanted.

[CountD]

I'd do something that doesn't talk about the other belief. "If you are interested in learning about Islam, call [number]."
That way I'll have an easier time avoiding crap.
See, I don't like that kind of thinking: "these people are idiots, they're wrong, I'm right." Things are more complicated than this. I know it's a hard habit to give up, but anyone can give it up if they wanted.

yeah, in a Utopian world.

[blah]

yeah, in a Utopian world.

if they try, they'll at least be a lot better

[ReturnoftheMack]

He's not simply disagreeing with me, he's actually saying that he's not going to listen to me about it.
He said that I'm wrong and that he won't listen. How is this not judging me? I
am wrong to him. But there's nothing with judging people.
We're not. Why are you guys so okay with Frag's stance there when you wouldn't be okay with someone's who's so arrogant and apparently close-minded? To be honest, Frag, you really do seem to be closing your mind.

You make it seem that I woke up one morning and decided that there was no God. It's come with a lot of reflection, research and thought.

But now I am completely convinced. I don't need to hear anymore. It's not being close-minded. It's being confident in my decision.

And again, if you want to play with the word "judging," fine. I've already told you that I don't think any more or less of you because of your beliefs.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Then you're just like the arrogant religious people who don't wanna listen or see or weigh anything new as long as it hints on something bad.
And like those people you mentioned earlier in the thread who wouldn't listen to logic, no matter how much sense it makes.

Actually, I'm not acting arrogant. I haven't said one thing that should have offended you.

And again, there is no logic in your stance. If you want to share, I'll listen, but I will end up offending your use of "logic" to prove the existence of God.

[ReturnoftheMack]

It's bad 'cause it knows that people are going to be offended and it does the offensive thing anyway. And this offense doesn't support the ad's aims.
I mean, it's like two people talking about religion and one of them gets needlessly aggressive, sure, it's not murder, but it's a tiny bit of corruption that I think should be gone against.

Why should people be offended? Only insecure people are.

I don't get offended by religious billboards. They are essentially saying I am wrong. I just brush it off.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

You make it seem that I woke up one morning and decided that there was no God. It's come with a lot of reflection, research and thought.

But now I am completely convinced. I don't need to hear anymore. It's not being close-minded. It's being confident in my decision.

And again, if you want to play with the word "judging," fine. I've already told you that I don't think any more or less of you because of your beliefs.

I don't believe in god because I'm smarter than you.

I don't care about your stupid opinions and I don't want to hear it. Nah nah nah nah nah.

You're a stupid asshole for believing what you do. In my judgement.

I love cock.

Argument settled.

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You make it seem that I woke up one morning and decided that there was no God. It's come with a lot of reflection, research and thought.

But now I am completely convinced. I don't need to hear anymore. It's not being close-minded. It's being confident in my decision.

And again, if you want to play with the word "judging," fine. I've already told you that I don't think any more or less of you because of your beliefs.

But this isn't a good way to have a talk with people. I have my conclusions too, but I try to be open to new ideas, you know? Of course you've probably thought about it, but that's not what I mean; I mean that your not listening is not good at least in this case.
Sure, I say I believe in God, but aren't you even curious what I mean? It's such a complicated topic, and for you to just project what you have in mind into others' words is not a good way for discussion.
Too much confidence is not good for discussion.
Keep in mind that I'm not saying you should be convinced, but that you should hear me because you may be judging me badly. And honestly, it may be the case that our beliefs aren't so far apart, and this may have a lot to do with the words we're using, just like when we talked about "judging."
I'm not playing with the word "judging" and am actually surprised you guys think of the word so negatively. I'm not used to that, I guess. But even though I never said you think badly of me because of my beliefs, I honestly don't know how you can think badly of someone, just of what they do and what they think and their appearance, and things like that, you know? And I guess I think you think badly of my belief here, unreasonably on your part because you're saying you don't want to hear me.

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Why should people be offended? Only insecure people are.

I don't get offended by religious billboards. They are essentially saying I am wrong. I just brush it off.

I guess people shouldn't get offended and should develop a higher tolerance to these things, yeah, but I don't think they should let these attempts go and I think they should be very critical of how the atheists or theists or anyone talk to each other.
I think you might be right about that: that they are essentially saying that I'm wrong by advertising themselves. Maybe, I dunno. But there's a nicer way to do that, I guess, as bad as my answer is here now.
That said, if there is something wrong coming from whomever, I really don't believe we should brush it off.

[ReturnoftheMack]

But this isn't a good way to have a talk with people. I have my conclusions too, but I try to be open to new ideas, you know? Of course you've probably thought about it, but that's not what I mean; I mean that your not listening is not good at least in this case.
Sure, I say I believe in God, but aren't you even curious what I mean? It's such a complicated topic, and for you to just project what you have in mind into others' words is not a good way for discussion.
Too much confidence is not good for discussion.
Keep in mind that I'm not saying you should be convinced, but that you should hear me because you may be judging me badly. And honestly, it may be the case that our beliefs aren't so far apart, and this may have a lot to do with the words we're using, just like when we talked about "judging."
I'm not playing with the word "judging" and am actually surprised you guys think of the word so negatively. I'm not used to that, I guess. But even though I never said you think badly of me because of my beliefs, I honestly don't know how you can think badly of someone, just of what they do and what they think and their appearance, and things like that, you know? And I guess I think you think badly of my belief here, unreasonably on your part because you're saying you don't want to hear me.

I'm not curious at all. And it's not really complicated to me.

But here's your chance. You have a captive audience. Tell me what you mean.

[CountD]

Argument settled.

[AaronW]

Fuck this was like the one thread worth reading I think I missed while I was gone.