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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Rockman » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:37 pm

It'd be easier to list the people who Hawkeye could take.

Hmm

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Pyro
Earthquake guy from X-men
J. Jonah Jameson

hmm can't think of anyone else.

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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Benderbrau » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:39 pm

Rockman wrote:It'd be easier to list the people who Hawkeye could take.

Hmm

Stiltman
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Typhoid Mary
Pyro
Earthquake guy from X-men
J. Jonah Jameson

hmm can't think of anyone else.

I agree with AMS, Aunt May would totally kick his ass.
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Rockman » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:41 pm

Well she did beat Spider-man in a game of the Wii

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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Cat-Scratch » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:50 pm

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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Lord Simian » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:59 pm

Wasn't Hawkeye trained in fighting... By Captain America?

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Cap here...

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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Doc Jon » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:41 pm

Strict31 wrote:Hasn't Cap already beaten Hawkeye?

Cap routinely beats crowds of guys who all have guns. I realize that a gun doesn't have quite the muzzle velocity, rate-of-fire and stopping power of a...longbow...but still.


And Wolverine has beat Lobo, what's your point. Come to your own conclusion and stop being a lemming.;)

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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Doc Jon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:02 am

Benderbrau wrote:No but what good is a bow and arrow against a man with the ability to block it?


Against normal arrows, sure. This wouldn't be a battle at all.

But let's inject a tiny bit of realism to the battle. I'll stipulate Cap's ability to bounce the shield perfectly against surfaces and have it come back to him (improbable as that may be). But Clint still has high powered arrows. Explosive, sonic, etc. Even an explosive arrow to the ground close to one's feet could act as a grenade. And as he has shown while being Ronin, he is certainly quite a capable martial artist.

So while I may still go with Cap here, this isn't nearly as easy as some would make it out to be.;)
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Dragavon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:17 am

Doc Jon wrote:
Against normal arrows, sure. This wouldn't be a battle at all.

But let's inject a tiny bit of realism to the battle. I'll stipulate Cap's ability to bounce the shield perfectly against surfaces and have it come back to him (improbable as that may be). But Clint still has high powered arrows. Explosive, sonic, etc. Even an explosive arrow to the ground close to one's feet could act as a grenade. And as he has shown while being Ronin, he is certainly quite a capable martial artist.

So while I may still go with Cap here, this isn't nearly as easy as some would make it out to be.;)

Cap's shield is able to absorb the impact from grenades and rpg's at point blank range.

Look if you had picked Iron Man or Thor or even Spider-Man against Cap, I'd say there was a chance Cap would lose but against Hawkeye?

If you want realism, this is how most battles would go:

Cap: "Alright Avengers, we have the Masters of Evil on the run, so now we....

Oh for the love of ... Thor, please stop bashing in Bulldozer's face and go help Hawkeye. Hyde has got hold of the quiver and he's threatening to shove the arrows you know where. And we've already spent a great deal of Tony's money to repair Barton's body from the last mishap with the explosive arrow."
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Log-Man » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:19 am

Dragavon wrote:Cap's shield is able to absorb the impact from grenades and rpg's at point blank range.

Look if you had picked Iron Man or Thor or even Spider-Man against Cap, I'd say there was a chance Cap would lose but against Hawkeye?

If you want realism, this is how most battles would go:

Cap: "Alright Avengers, we have the Masters of Evil on the run, so now we....

Oh for the love of ... Thor, please stop bashing in Bulldozer's face and go help Hawkeye. Hyde has got hold of the quiver and he's threatening to shove the arrows you know where. And we've already spent a great deal of Tony's money to repair Barton's body from the last mishap with the explosive arrow."


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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Strict31 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:23 am

Doc Jon wrote:
And Wolverine has beat Lobo, what's your point. Come to your own conclusion and stop being a lemming.;)


I'm gonna guess that the addition of the smiley means this wasn't technically an insult.

No, my point is that Cap has already beaten Hawkeye. Question asked and answered. If you want reasons as to why Cap would beat Hawkeye, one of those reasons is that he's done it before. Another one of those reasons is that Cap is the physical equivalent of Jason Lee's character from the movie Soldier while Hawkeye is the equivalent of...some dude who shoots arrows. Another one of those reasons is Hawkeye has learned just about all he knows about fighting from Cap...but not all Cap knows.

Now...maybe if instead of a ass-whupping competition, they were having a bow and arrow competition, Hawkeye would probably win that, because that's kinda Hawkeye's thing.
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby SuperginraiX » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:36 am

Captain America is a tactical genius. With upper body armor. And a shield that can be used as an offensive weapon. Hand-to-hand combat training that exceeds anything Hawkeye can bring to the table. Plus, that peak-human part means that he's stronger, faster, and just plain better than Clint.

Hawkeye is a scrapper. Some of his arrows give him an advantage if we're talking distance but Cap can pretty much read Hawkeye's battle techniques like a book. The gap would be cleared with no real trouble and then it becomes a hand-to-hand fighting game. Which is where Clint has no advantage at all. Barton has some leadership qualities and knows what he's doing. His style is less thinking things through and more going with his gut. That's not going to work against Steve Rogers.

This one is pretty damn conclusive. Hawkeye can't take down Captain America. In almost every way, he's outmatched.
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Doc Jon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:52 am

Dragavon wrote:Cap's shield is able to absorb the impact from grenades and rpg's at point blank range.

Look if you had picked Iron Man or Thor or even Spider-Man against Cap, I'd say there was a chance Cap would lose but against Hawkeye?

If you want realism, this is how most battles would go:

Cap: "Alright Avengers, we have the Masters of Evil on the run, so now we....

Oh for the love of ... Thor, please stop bashing in Bulldozer's face and go help Hawkeye. Hyde has got hold of the quiver and he's threatening to shove the arrows you know where. And we've already spent a great deal of Tony's money to repair Barton's body from the last mishap with the explosive arrow."


Cap's shield can absorb vibration, yes, but an explosive isn't contained to one area. His legs could be fucked up by a large enough explosion. I know it's something they don't do in comics because then people would realize the silliness of a shield in a superhero world, but there are still ways around that.
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Doc Jon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:57 am

Strict31 wrote:
I'm gonna guess that the addition of the smiley means this wasn't technically an insult.

No, my point is that Cap has already beaten Hawkeye. Question asked and answered. If you want reasons as to why Cap would beat Hawkeye, one of those reasons is that he's done it before. Another one of those reasons is that Cap is the physical equivalent of Jason Lee's character from the movie Soldier while Hawkeye is the equivalent of...some dude who shoots arrows. Another one of those reasons is Hawkeye has learned just about all he knows about fighting from Cap...but not all Cap knows.

Now...maybe if instead of a ass-whupping competition, they were having a bow and arrow competition, Hawkeye would probably win that, because that's kinda Hawkeye's thing.


Yeah, and my point is that people have "won" in superhero battles because of popularity. It's because Wolverine suddenly became uber badass or Batman can seemingly beat Superman day in and day out.

So in any Marvel comic, Cap could probably find a way to beat Galactus. It doesn't mean that if we do a Galactus vs. Cap fight that people might not think differently. It's a mental exercise, not a "in issue 362 of Avengers, Cap clearly wiped the floor with all the Avengers therefore he would win against any of them in single combat."

Hell, Black Panther took out the entire team in the animated show single handed.
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby Amoebas » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:52 am

I love Hawkeye, but there's no hesitation in saying Cap wins.

Cap even beat a dishenchanted and shieldless Cap before without a sweat.
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Re: Avengers vs the OUthouse: Hawkeye vs. Cap

Postby GOSD » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:35 am

Cap.

For those who picked Hawkeye? :lol:

Besides what Strict said, US Agent beat Hawkeye and Cap beat US Agent.

Nuff said.

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