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by **avengingtitan** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:25 pm

Log-Man wrote:
That's what I thought, but it came very highly recommended. "You'll love it!" they cried. either they don't know me very well, or they think I love crap.

Or they thought that you were smart enough to get it.

by **avengingtitan** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:28 pm

Ron Moore freely admits that a few of the episodes were bad and usually they were the ones the network wanted. Sure season 3 had a batch of episodes that kinda sucked but in my eyes its a near perfect show. I've watched it all the way a number of times both with and without the commentary. Its one of my all time favorite shows. I love the way the show ended too.

by **Strict31** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:27 am

avengingtitan wrote:Ron Moore freely admits that a few of the episodes were bad and usually they were the ones the network wanted. Sure season 3 had a batch of episodes that kinda sucked but in my eyes its a near perfect show. I've watched it all the way a number of times both with and without the commentary. Its one of my all time favorite shows. I love the way the show ended too.

But the way the show ended was stupid. Starbuck just disappears with no explanation given as to how or why, and that's supposed to be good storytelling?

by **Log-Man** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:49 am

avengingtitan wrote:Or they thought that you were smart enough to get it.

Yeah. That must be it. I didn't "get it."

:roll:

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:51 am

Strict31 wrote:
But the way the show ended was stupid. Starbuck just disappears with no explanation given as to how or why, and that's supposed to be good storytelling?

I thought it was fairly obvious. She led them to their end. She was an angel and her mission was complete.

by **habitual** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:57 am

The first season of the show is one of the finest pieces of television I've ever seen.

I would recommend watching the 2 hour movie/pilot first.

Hab

by **Benderbrau** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:17 am

avengingtitan wrote:I thought it was fairly obvious. She led them to their end. She was an angel and her mission was complete.

Notice how Strict used spoilers so as to not ruin it for the OP?

So, yeah about that... :smt011

by **Strict31** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:23 am

Benderbrau wrote:Notice how Strict used spoilers so as to not ruin it for the OP?

So, yeah about that...

Yeah, but it's Log-Man who ain't smart enough to get shit, right, AT?

by **Strict31** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:25 am

avengingtitan wrote:I thought it was fairly obvious. She led them to their end. She was an angel and her mission was complete.

Yeah, they just pulled angels out of their ass for the final episode. Better there than in the outfield, I guess.

What was "fairly obvious" was that they had no real idea how to resolve Starbuck's storyline, so they just had the bitch disappear.

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:38 am

Strict31 wrote:
Yeah, they just pulled angels out of their ass for the final episode. Better there than in the outfield, I guess.

What was "fairly obvious" was that they had no real idea how to resolve Starbuck's storyline, so they just had the bitch disappear.

It was set up since she came back

by **Strict31** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:42 am

avengingtitan wrote:It was set up since she came back

The fuck it was. That was a mystery designed to keep viewers tuned in to find out what the reason was. And the explanation they ultimately went with was, "FUCK YOUR EYES."

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:50 am

Strict31 wrote:
The fuck it was. That was a mystery designed to keep viewers tuned in to find out what the reason was. And the explanation they ultimately went with was, "FUCK YOUR EYES."

She found her own body She was told She would lead them all to their end The Coordinates to the planet were something only she knew.
I liked the ending. It makes you think. I dont always need everything spelled out for me.

by **Strict31** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:23 am

avengingtitan wrote:She found her own body She was told She would lead them all to their end The Coordinates to the planet were something only she knew.
I liked the ending. It makes you think. I dont always need everything spelled out for me.

Okay, so...we have a story that has established that there are copies of people in the fleet. These copies are cylons that look human. They've also established that not all of the cylon models are known. And they set it up so that Starbuck finds her own body. And, through the process of well-considered deduction using all the clues they've laid out, the most logical conclusion is that she's...AN ANGEL.

I'm sorry...I don't care how you spell it out; that's never going to start making any kind of goddamned sense, AT. The process of reasoning broke down in the final season, AT. RDM himself stated that, after trying to figure out a conclusion, he suddenly decided "it's about the characters, dummy!" And at that point, any sense of logic was fucked out of the door.

Lookit...I get it; you liked the show. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking it. I'm just saying that shit was stupid. And no matter how much you liked it and wish to defend it, having a character simply disappear with no explanation ever given is stupid.

Everybody around here likes some shit that is stupid.

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:34 am

Strict31 wrote:

Okay, so...we have a story that has established that there are copies of people in the fleet. These copies are cylons that look human. They've also established that not all of the cylon models are known. And they set it up so that Starbuck finds her own body. And, through the process of well-considered deduction using all the clues they've laid out, the most logical conclusion is that she's...AN ANGEL.

I'm sorry...I don't care how you spell it out; that's never going to start making any kind of goddamned sense, AT. The process of reasoning broke down in the final season, AT. RDM himself stated that, after trying to figure out a conclusion, he suddenly decided "it's about the characters, dummy!" And at that point, any sense of logic was fucked out of the door.

Lookit...I get it; you liked the show. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking it. I'm just saying that shit was stupid. And no matter how much you liked it and wish to defend it, having a character simply disappear with no explanation ever given is stupid.

Everybody around here likes some shit that is stupid.

No they had already established who the final cylons were. The only real problem is that they messed up the numbering which is where daniel came from. Now sure at the point that she found her body they hadnt said who the final cylon was but it was kinda obvious.
Why does a show have to give you ALL the answers? I liked it. The same way I liked the end of Lost, or what happened to Chuck on Supernatural.

No need to get upset dude. It was a fun ending.

by **Strict31** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:01 am

avengingtitan wrote:No they had already established who the final cylons were. The only real problem is that they messed up the numbering which is where daniel came from. Now sure at the point that she found her body they hadnt said who the final cylon was but it was kinda obvious.
Why does a show have to give you ALL the answers? I liked it. The same way I liked the end of Lost, or what happened to Chuck on Supernatural.

No need to get upset dude. It was a fun ending.

You're contradicting yourself, bro.

You're defending something that doesn't make sense. And you keep talking some shit about "why do you need all the answers spelled out" when it's actually about shit simply making sense.

They've established that there are cylons who look like characters we've come to trust and presume were human. They've established that they haven't identified all the remaining models of skinjobs. All of this shit has been well-established in the show, and you know it.

And what you also know is this: at no point until the very end, when Starbuck disappears with no explanation, do they establish the existence of angels.

Which simply means they pulled that out of their ass, AT. I understand that you don't wish to admit this, because you don't wish to see something you loved eviscerated. But that desire is immaterial to what has been established in the show.

I mean, if they can just come completely out of the blue and say Starbuck was an angel (which was never actually stated in the series), then, they can also say Blatar was a shapeshifting Sharktopus. And that Adama was just a really tall Hobbit. And that D'Anna was really just Xena, Warrior Princess. And that when Xena got her head cut off, she just downloaded into a new body, because she was a cylon in her TV show. And that Apollo was an albino Blacula who had been raised by Space Mexicans.

People will go to great lengths to defend the shit that they love. That's just human nature, buddy. Now, if you will excuse me...

*disappears*

*reappears*

Oh sorry...you may have deduced that I was an angel because I guess angels disappear and shit. But in reality, it's just because I turned the light off and didn't smile.

/avengingtitan'd

No, but seriously, I'm really an angel. Which I just established at the very end of my post.

*disappears again*

//RonaldDMoore'd