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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:31 pm

I would like to hear about your healthcare systems. Not the broad strokes or talking points, but actual personal experience. Do you have trouble getting treatment? Wait times? What if you need an expensive test? Medication? Go.
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Re: Canadian, British, Swedish, Australian Posters...

Postby habitual » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:42 pm

Australia has the highest life expectancy and their health care costs are at 8.5% of GDP. The USA is the lowest and our costs are 16% of GDP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#International_comparisons

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:42 pm

habitual wrote:Australia has the highest life expectancy and their health care costs are at 8.5% of GDP. The USA is the lowest and our costs are 16% of GDP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#International_comparisons

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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:53 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:I would like to hear about your healthcare systems. Not the broad strokes or talking points, but actual personal experience. Do you have trouble getting treatment? Wait times? What if you need an expensive test? Medication? Go.



Okay, I just answered Achilles' similar question in the other thread, but here again -

I'm in Canada, where we have a Federal healthcare plan/program that is funded via a tax that comes off our paychecks as with income. After that each province has it's own ealthcare plan/program that is funded via a tax that comes off our paychecks as with income. Here in Ontario this is so. We are issued a Health Card to identify ourselves to the system for the billing process. Basically, go to a doctor for the first time or walk-in clinic or hospital and they ask for the card. You'll not be asked for it again unless they loose that number. From there you are covered for visits given up to a point as some hospitalization may require a separate billing. Not every thing is covered but most is. Dental is not covered unless life threatening and as for eyes, as a diabetic I get limited coverage but not those whom are not. It differs based on health problems. Prescriptions are covered by your own pocket or private healthcare insurance unless you can get on some of the rare plans/programs that are about, but those things are set up to turn people away more then help. You could get a porkchop off a timberwolf more easily.

I've never had a problem in getting treatment, but then other then diabetes I have few problems.

Wait times vary given a ton of factors. Some doctors over book patients (my family doctor does not do this, so I tend to be in and out), people flock to the ER when they should go to the clinic, illnesses like flu can tear through folks and cause heavy waits. Then there is location, as in towns won't have all the equipment and staff available as a major city.

Some times those tests are covered, some are not. Depends. Also, some may be covered but you may have to wait. So far, no one in my family has waited anything more then 2 weeks to get some test done and that was for something not that routine and again, a busy time.
Just be flexible for when they say a time is available. Note, they do triage as well with this.

I covered medication earlier. Note, hospital visits can result in you having an immediate need fulfilled under the OHIP. Note, Work Men's Comp helps too.

In the end, in Canada, we don't turn people away or let them die, no matter what they are. The system may not be perfect and gets stressed at times because of heavy use, but it works.

The best thing is to always get some sort of basic private insurance to cover dental, prescriptions and eyes, but after that, OHIP covers it.
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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:07 pm

Here's an example -

I recently had to take my father into a walk-in clinic to get a look over after taking a couple of falls. We went in, he filled out a simple form, presented the Health Card and then took a seat. The clinic was not busy. After a wait of under ten minutes, he saw a doctor. That was it, basically he was fine and just needed to see the family doctor for follow up since his health history is best known by the family doctor. No bill

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Back in the winter I got sick, very sick with the flu. I went to the family doctor, no need to show the card as it was on record with him and OHIP. A week later I was still having problems with chest pain and all sorts of other pains and problems. He suspected Pneumonia, so I was sent to the ER to be x-rayed and checked out for a possible admit to the hospital. Since a minor flu epidemic was happening and it was late afternoon, it was a wait. I was X-Rayed, examined and treated - I was severely dehydrated and needed to hooked up on a couple of bags of drip to get me back up as well an pain killer (oxy) to deal with the pain. No bills all covered under OHIP.

I was back there less then a week later due to the diabetes. The flu and it had a nasty little tangle and caused my sugars to crash hard. I received treatment and was observed. Saw the ER go from busy to quiet during the 6 to 7 hours. Basically it was only that long due to one of the machines in the lab needing to be maintenance-d (regular) due to high use. No bills all covered under OHIP.
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Postby holtom2000 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:05 pm

left a hospital after sitting there for 8 hours waiting for an MRI (bad back)
2 days later they called and asked why I left - I said I was tired of waiting and was thinking of driving 2 hours to Grand Forks to pay out of pocket
they said good
So they don't mind you paying for an MRI, just not in this country. They apparently enjoy driving patients out of the country rather than have that money spent here
this is why our health care system fails
we clearly need a blend of public and private but the socialists, media elite and unions won't tolerate it.

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Postby holtom2000 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:08 pm

oh and we drove 2 hours to have our daughter because the regional centre we lived in, biggest town 2 hours in any direction, didn't deliver babies.

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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:18 pm

holtom2000 wrote:left a hospital after sitting there for 8 hours waiting for an MRI (bad back)
2 days later they called and asked why I left - I said I was tired of waiting and was thinking of driving 2 hours to Grand Forks to pay out of pocket
they said good
So they don't mind you paying for an MRI, just not in this country. They apparently enjoy driving patients out of the country rather than have that money spent here
this is why our health care system fails
we clearly need a blend of public and private but the socialists, media elite and unions won't tolerate it.


holtom2000 wrote:oh and we drove 2 hours to have our daughter because the regional centre we lived in, biggest town 2 hours in any direction, didn't deliver babies.


Pssstt! Say that you're a Swede.
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Postby holtom2000 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:05 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:


Pssstt! Say that you're a Swede.


but I'm Ukrainian!

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Postby achilles » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:46 pm

holtom2000 wrote:oh and we drove 2 hours to have our daughter because the regional centre we lived in, biggest town 2 hours in any direction, didn't deliver babies.


This is something I've heard about in France...something recent due to the financial collapse of their healthcare system shutting down some of the regional places that deliver babies.

Is this a common feature of this style of health care?
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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:18 pm

achilles wrote:
This is something I've heard about in France...something recent due to the financial collapse of their healthcare system shutting down some of the regional places that deliver babies.

Is this a common feature of this style of health care?


No.

This is a common feature of successive bad government on more then one level. Combine this with an incredibly badly thought out immigrant policy.

The problem is that since the end of the 70s, the province has been flooded with people coming into the country. They are all given full health care from the start. Not a bad thing, yes? Well... given that this was an explosion of sorts, it stressed the system. Add to this the rising and falling economy added to the tax revenues not always being there and yes, stressing the system some more. Then add all the folks playing scam-the-system adding further insult to the injury. Mix that well with multiple governments playing cherry-pick politics and spending money badly every where else so there was not always enough to cover the system... you can see where I'm going. Some places are and were shut down as a series of idiotic attempts to "fix" a system that was not really broken... until they started "fixing" it.

Canada suffers the same problems as everyone else. Regional bigotry and systemic too boot. Certain areas will never see proper full service.
Between the bean grubbing right wing types to the spend-it-on-themselves left wing types, the system is stressed out and not that functional in some parts.

Hell, our "Liberal" provincial government chose to cut ER funding this past winter. Yeah, the same group that shit away over 600 million dollars to gain votes by fucking about with power plants. Bad government is bad government. Playing kick the can some times means making a can to kick down the road. We have three political parties that have done that and still are and that's just the province of Ontario. The Feds have an extra party from Quebec to play that game too.
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Postby The Shadow » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:31 pm

Canadian here

I've been fairly hard on my body as a kid and young man (I've smartened up some as I've gotten older).

I cracked three ribs playing hockey and got in for X-Rays immediately.
I have dislocated both shoulders twice each playing hockey and football and in three of the cases I got in to see a doctor in the emergency room within an hour to have my shoulder put back in. (The fourth time I landed on it and it put it back in place)
As for surgeries I've had work done on both knees done and the longest I've had to wait was two months for the less serious of the two.
I had a hernia operation and because it wasn't an emergency waited two months.
I've had five diagnosed concussions (from football and hockey) but this was back in the "What's your name and how many fingers? Two? Well, it's three but close enough... You're fine" era BUT for the grade 3 (the most serious type) I was in to see a doctor immediately.
Partially dislocated my jaw playing hockey and didn't wait for longer than 30 minutes for a doctor.
I broke my pinkey finger on my left had three times and due to the lack of severity beyond X-Rays after 4 hour wait it would have been several months before they tried to fix so I just left it (now it looks and works funny)
To see my doctor for a check up or whatever is usually a week or so wait.
My wife went into labour 5 weeks early with our daughter and she didn't wait beyond the time it took to get a wheel chair for her.

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Postby Frag » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:33 pm

I've had experience with the health system in Greece and in England.

In Greece, I received care at a public hospital including chemo and radiation treatment. The hospital was a dump, but the treatment was great. I'm alive so I have no complaints.

I also have been to a private hospital in Greece. They are like 5-star hotels with nice rooms and great care.

Both didn't have wait times.

England wasn't very good. My brother's daughter was sick and they couldn't figure out what it was. Apparently, England doesn't have personal pediatricians. When a child gets sick, you take them to the doctor, but it isn't a pediatrician that knows your child. I find that kind of weird.
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Postby Eli Katz » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:38 pm

The one nice thing about those countries is that you don't see your fucking insurance company advertizing night and day on TV. Gee, I wonder why my rates are so high.

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Postby achilles » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:43 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
No.

This is a common feature of successive bad government on more then one level. Combine this with an incredibly badly thought out immigrant policy.

The problem is that since the end of the 70s, the province has been flooded with people coming into the country. They are all given full health care from the start. Not a bad thing, yes? Well... given that this was an explosion of sorts, it stressed the system. Add to this the rising and falling economy added to the tax revenues not always being there and yes, stressing the system some more. Then add all the folks playing scam-the-system adding further insult to the injury. Mix that well with multiple governments playing cherry-pick politics and spending money badly every where else so there was not always enough to cover the system... you can see where I'm going. Some places are and were shut down as a series of idiotic attempts to "fix" a system that was not really broken... until they started "fixing" it.

Canada suffers the same problems as everyone else. Regional bigotry and systemic too boot. Certain areas will never see proper full service.
Between the bean grubbing right wing types to the spend-it-on-themselves left wing types, the system is stressed out and not that functional in some parts.

Hell, our "Liberal" provincial government chose to cut ER funding this past winter. Yeah, the same group that shit away over 600 million dollars to gain votes by fucking about with power plants. Bad government is bad government. Playing kick the can some times means making a can to kick down the road. We have three political parties that have done that and still are and that's just the province of Ontario. The Feds have an extra party from Quebec to play that game too.


Yeesh, sounds like we have the same problems, Cat.
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