The Outhouse - The Greatest Comic Book Forum

[AaronW]

I remember when I got pissed when the creator of Ren and Stimpy said talking about the "best" writer in comics is like talking about the best writer in bubblegum cards. Peter "I love churning out trash for established properties" David wrote column attacking the idea I remember. Now I realize that outside a handful of creators he was totally right.

[Jubilee]

If other mediums were like comics we'd currently be getting

Wizard of Oz 98, featuring She-Scarecrow, and the Lion getting slightly closer on his mission to find courage, the cliffhanger would be winged monkey #23 coming back from the dead with an upgraded powerset.

Christmas Carol volume 3: #9 would have just come out, upon where we're just getting upto the second Christmas since Pip's parents died, and there's rumours surfacing that next years volume might introduce a wife for Pip. The teaser has a tattered brides outfit.

I'd be settling down to watch the 1056th series of Dallas, where it's revealed the entireity of the previous 1055 series were just a dream, and there's a new reset coming next month.

[Arion]

Not a fan of kick ass or superior?

Kick-Ass has been great.

[GHERU]

There are hundreds of video game and tv writers around. Most of them will work on new properties. There are a few series which go on for around 5 or 6 years, but more programmes end there. Comics are the only medium around which have thought "oh look here's a dozen good characters, let's completely milk them dry for 50 years producing 2000 stories about the same characters fighting the same bad guys"

they don't create those new properties, which is what your list in the OP is about.

they follow the money and work on other people's creations, the same thing you are deriding comic book writers for doing.

If there are so many more options for these other creative fields why don't I see more Joss Whedons, JMSs, Dick Wolfes, JJ Abrams out there with their names attached to new TV programs? Why is it EA's game, Bethesda Studios present instead of the actual creator's names?

You can bitch and moan about the Big Two all you want, but without Spider-Man Millar wouldn't have Icon to publish all of his 6 issues, 36 month, comics - not to mention his great book, 1985. Without Star Wars and Buffy, Mignola (and the other people writing his creations) wouldn't have Hellboy, without New Mutants, X-Force, Spider-Man, Hulk, ect Image's founders would have had no money to invest in a new company. Without Witchblade, The Darkness, Spawn, and a host of other "creator owned books" Image couldn't take a risk on a failed Marvel writer and his zombie book.

Yes, I love super-hero books. I'm mature enough to not care as long as I am entertained. But I also love Mondo, Cowboy Ninja Viking, DMZ, Transmetro, Walking Dead, Ex Machina, Ojo, Zero Girl, Four Women, 'lil Depressed Boy....all books whose sales are(were) low enough that the evil Big Two (or Five) needs(ed) to publish popular, stable, (mostly) ON TIME, books to keep their customers.

[Jubilee]

I think we disagree on one simple point. If it wasn't for Spider-man and the like I think comics would be in a much better shape financially now than with him. I think Marvel and DC focussing on rehashing old stories have led to fans being driven away and never coming back.

[Jubilee]

Also, just because EA and the tv studios put out these works do not mean they're not being worked on by incredibly talented people. People like David Simon and David Chase worked for HBO but produced amazing work. People like Brubaker use Marvel to publish independent work.

[Amoebas]

If other mediums were like comics we'd currently be getting

Wizard of Oz 98, featuring She-Scarecrow, and the Lion getting slightly closer on his mission to find courage, the cliffhanger would be winged monkey #23 coming back from the dead with an upgraded powerset.

Christmas Carol volume 3: #9 would have just come out, upon where we're just getting upto the second Christmas since Pip's parents died, and there's rumours surfacing that next years volume might introduce a wife for Pip. The teaser has a tattered brides outfit.

I'd be settling down to watch the 1056th series of Dallas, where it's revealed the entireity of the previous 1055 series were just a dream, and there's a new reset coming next month.

Wow. First you want the majority of comic creators to risk their livelihoods and now you steal Alan Moore's next two projects.

How dare you!

[SuperginraiX]

they don't create those new properties, which is what your list in the OP is about.

they follow the money and work on other people's creations, the same thing you are deriding comic book writers for doing.

If there are so many more options for these other creative fields why don't I see more Joss Whedons, JMSs, Dick Wolfes, JJ Abrams out there with their names attached to new TV programs? Why is it EA's game, Bethesda Studios present instead of the actual creator's names?

You can bitch and moan about the Big Two all you want, but without Spider-Man Millar wouldn't have Icon to publish all of his 6 issues, 36 month, comics - not to mention his great book, 1985. Without Star Wars and Buffy, Mignola (and the other people writing his creations) wouldn't have Hellboy, without New Mutants, X-Force, Spider-Man, Hulk, ect Image's founders would have had no money to invest in a new company. Without Witchblade, The Darkness, Spawn, and a host of other "creator owned books" Image couldn't take a risk on a failed Marvel writer and his zombie book.

Yes, I love super-hero books. I'm mature enough to not care as long as I am entertained. But I also love Mondo, Cowboy Ninja Viking, DMZ, Transmetro, Walking Dead, Ex Machina, Ojo, Zero Girl, Four Women, 'lil Depressed Boy....all books whose sales are(were) low enough that the evil Big Two (or Five) needs(ed) to publish popular, stable, (mostly) ON TIME, books to keep their customers.

I get that but this is still all your fault for not buying more Extreme and Wildstorm books. Especially Wildstorm. If you would have picked up more of their books, maybe they wouldn't have been gobbled up by the monster that is DC.

[GHERU]

I think we disagree on one simple point. If it wasn't for Spider-man and the like I think comics would be in a much better shape financially now than with him. I think Marvel and DC focussing on rehashing old stories have led to fans being driven away and never coming back.

I think that the blame there is more on readers rejecting new characters over keeping old ones.
in the 20+ years I've been collecting comics I've seen many a good (IMO) character relegated to teh back burner due to low sales

Darkhawk, Speedball, Slapstick, Major Bummer, Hard Time, Mutant X (ok, not 'new' but still), Hitman, Kreeper, and a host of others I can't think of right now were all characters with potential that didn't sell because they were not Spider-Man, Wolverine, Superman.

I do not think that if Marvel ended Spider-Man then some new character would rise to the top, I think that if they stopped Spider-Man, those readers would have ~$12 more in their pockets a month. I don't think that if X-Men ended new readers would come flocking to comics to see who the new guy is and what he does.

Say what you will about him, Leifeld has two of the most successful new Big Two creations of the past 20+ years - Cable and Deadpool - both became popular after he was off of them and, in the case of Deadpool, a major grassroots campaign over a decade plus to get him into a book, let alone an ongoing.

Do I want more The Maxx type books - yes - do I think that we don't have them because of Batman - no. Its because, for the most part, people don't do "indy" stuff.

and, lets not forget, 98% of alternative/indy work (movies, music, whatever) is snobby crap with gay cowboys eating pudding, and its easier to find a B- Marvel book than it is even a C+ truly independent book.

[GHERU]

Wow. First you want the majority of comic creators to risk their livelihoods and now you steal Alan Moore's next two projects.

How dare you!

[rdrsfn82]

If other mediums were like comics we'd currently be getting

Wizard of Oz 98, featuring She-Scarecrow, and the Lion getting slightly closer on his mission to find courage, the cliffhanger would be winged monkey #23 coming back from the dead with an upgraded powerset.

Christmas Carol volume 3: #9 would have just come out, upon where we're just getting upto the second Christmas since Pip's parents died, and there's rumours surfacing that next years volume might introduce a wife for Pip. The teaser has a tattered brides outfit.

I'd be settling down to watch the 1056th series of Dallas, where it's revealed the entireity of the previous 1055 series were just a dream, and there's a new reset coming next month.

You do realize that most books are terrible, most TV shows are terrible, and most of both are ripoffs of stuff that came before and are just as unoriginal as what you are talking about, right?

[PDH]

If other mediums were like comics we'd currently be getting

Wizard of Oz 98, featuring She-Scarecrow, and the Lion getting slightly closer on his mission to find courage, the cliffhanger would be winged monkey #23 coming back from the dead with an upgraded powerset.

Christmas Carol volume 3: #9 would have just come out, upon where we're just getting upto the second Christmas since Pip's parents died, and there's rumours surfacing that next years volume might introduce a wife for Pip. The teaser has a tattered brides outfit.

I'd be settling down to watch the 1056th series of Dallas, where it's revealed the entireity of the previous 1055 series were just a dream, and there's a new reset coming next month.

Pip is from Great Expectations, not A Christmas Carol.

I suppose they could be in a shared universe...

[Jubilee]

Pip is from Great Expectations, not A Christmas Carol.

I suppose they could be in a shared universe...

That is the joke I was going for

[PDH]

That is the joke I was going for

Oh OK. I get jokes.

[Evan Meadow]

Interesting. She did well to make that concept, but a quick look at the wiki shows that it's a book in the Wildstorm universe, with frequent references to it's expanded universe.

It's something like Secret Warriors then? Which Bendis created? Just a new team?

The only time Simone ever really had Tranquility as part of the Wildstorm Universe was when she was writing Gen 13 and had the cast hide out there for an arc.

Otherwise, even with the one-shot they had to tie in to a Wildstorm crossover at the time, the book really never touched the rest of the WS universe. Well, probably Dreamwar but that doesn't really count.

Something tells me if she ever does stop the exclusive with DC, she'll work on getting the rights on that book reverted. Unless they decide to do something with them as part of the DCNu, which I just don't see happening.