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CountD

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Postby CountD » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:51 pm

Log-Man wrote:I realized today a big part of the problem right now. The character balance is completely off. Abed is the star now, and he really shouldn't be. I say that as a huge fan of the character, but story-wise he's a supporting character and works best in that role. He's also the most popular, though, so they decided to give him the lead which throws everything off. We've seen it a million times in a million different shows, from Fonzi on Happy Days to Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. It's a fan service trap that never pays off. And in Abed's case it's even worse because they're trying to separate him from Troy, killing half of the character's special appeal immediately.

The Dean is undergoing a similar transformation, getting too big for his actual role in the story.

Pierce and Shirley are non-existent, and even Jeff and Brita are relegated to relatively minor roles now.

Until the Greendale Seven becomes the star again, with the right balance, it will never feel right. At least, that's part of it. As has already been noted, there are several other things that are off, from editing to dialogue, but I think this may be the big one for me.


hammer, meet head of nail.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Fri May 10, 2013 6:54 am

Bumping this thread so me and Zero can continue our Twitter convo and also so we can discuss the Season 4 finale.
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Zero

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Postby Zero » Fri May 10, 2013 7:09 am

So Season 4 was obviously missing Dan Harmon, but what I was really missing for me was the heart of the characters. My favourite episodes are Mixology Certification (Troy's 21st) and Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas (Claymation) because they really do well at getting the characters' insides out on display. This year the only times I've got that was Troy and Britta's break-up via Abed. It was Abed being there for Troy in a way only Abed ever could be and I was really moved by the idea of it.

On the other hand the finale was a great time to show Jeff afraid of how much he's changed but really all we got was a deeply unfunny reference to something the fanbase really latched onto: The Darkest Timeline. (DT Annie is amazing though.) That sums up my problem pretty nicely. The show has coasted by on referential humour since day one but season four has had Community referring far more to itself than to anything else. The Inspector Spacetime convention would not have been so bad, but it wasn't funny. I don't wanna get bogged down in examples of times the season wasn't funny, because that would just be listing the episodes.

Chevy was barely present this year, and that's a shame but after seeing how they handled Gilbert I'm not too dissatisfied. His leaving the show was totally glossed over though, and if we hadn't known it was coming the finale barely clued us into it. Also barely present were Leonard, Todd, Neil, Vicky, Chang, Garret and pretty much the whole supporting cast. Greendale felt like a very quiet place for most of the year.

I liked almost every scene the Dean was in though.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Fri May 10, 2013 7:16 am

Zero wrote:So Season 4 was obviously missing Dan Harmon, but what I was really missing for me was the heart of the characters. My favourite episodes are Mixology Certification (Troy's 21st) and Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas (Claymation) because they really do well at getting the characters' insides out on display. This year the only times I've got that was Troy and Britta's break-up via Abed. It was Abed being there for Troy in a way only Abed ever could be and I was really moved by the idea of it.

On the other hand the finale was a great time to show Jeff afraid of how much he's changed but really all we got was a deeply unfunny reference to something the fanbase really latched onto: The Darkest Timeline. (DT Annie is amazing though.) That sums up my problem pretty nicely. The show has coasted by on referential humour since day one but season four has had Community referring far more to itself than to anything else. The Inspector Spacetime convention would not have been so bad, but it wasn't funny. I don't wanna get bogged down in examples of times the season wasn't funny, because that would just be listing the episodes.

Chevy was barely present this year, and that's a shame but after seeing how they handled Gilbert I'm not too dissatisfied. His leaving the show was totally glossed over though, and if we hadn't known it was coming the finale barely clued us into it. Also barely present were Leonard, Todd, Neil, Vicky, Chang, Garret and pretty much the whole supporting cast. Greendale felt like a very quiet place for most of the year.

I liked almost every scene the Dean was in though.


I thought the Jeff and his dad stuff was well-done and appropriately emotional.

I agree with a lot of your criticisms about this Season, but I feel like most of them applied to, if not the show as a whole, but at least Season 3, which had a lot of problems with towards the back-end. Yes, it was self-referential in Season 4, but it was always self-referential, going back to the second Paintball storyline.

I just don't see why so many people are criticising Season 4 for doing just what Season 3 did. It's probably due to the lack of Harmon, but my feelings on the Cult Of Harmon are well known, and I think that, whilst Harmon seemed to be losing it by the end of his tenure, it's only now that Guarascio and Port are getting the hang of things, the last 3 or 4 episodes have actually been really good. It seems like people have a problem with fan-service because it's not coming from one specific person.

I'd like to see a Season 5, I'd like to see what the show is like now that the new guys have had a year to see what works for them.
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Fri May 10, 2013 7:22 am

A middling show that coasted downhill and off a cliff.
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CountD

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Postby CountD » Fri May 10, 2013 7:23 am

I kind of hope this show is done.

It's like watching a rollercoaster derail.

Every scene Pierce is in makes you stop and :smt017 .

They've exhausted the alternate timeline idea-something I loved initially. I realize they tied it all together with the paintball theme, but it just felt forced and lacking imho.

Goodbye, Community! I'll remember your earlier seasons much more fondly.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Fri May 10, 2013 7:27 am

It's weird that New Girl is now probably the best comedy on US network television.
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Zero

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Postby Zero » Fri May 10, 2013 7:30 am

New Girl was probably the best show last season too, but the lack of any more obvious competition has helped it this year. I really find myself missing 30 Rock after that stellar final season.

I agree that Community s3 was heading that way, but it still managed to pack in a lot of good stuff into that first half. Working in a vacuum really seems to harm a show like this as the show really peaked while it was airing and filming at the same time and they could respond to people's reactions.
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Postby Punchy » Fri May 10, 2013 7:34 am

Zero wrote:New Girl was probably the best show last season too, but the lack of any more obvious competition has helped it this year. I really find myself missing 30 Rock after that stellar final season.

I agree that Community s3 was heading that way, but it still managed to pack in a lot of good stuff into that first half. Working in a vacuum really seems to harm a show like this as the show really peaked while it was airing and filming at the same time and they could respond to people's reactions.


That's a very good point, I'm sure if the new producers could have seen the responses the early episodes had gotten, the second half would have been very different, and perhaps better.

This is why I'd be interested in a Season 5.

And yeah, 30 Rock's final season was amazing. I also really liked Happy Endings Season 3, I hope it finds a home on cable like Cougar Town and can continue.
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Zero

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Postby Zero » Fri May 10, 2013 7:39 am

I didn't like Happy Endings 3 as much as 2, because I think the characters might be getting too many tics and quirks for my taste but it's still been very very funny. The Office has produced some interesting stuff as it winds down, but HIMYM has been getting very very poor. I have always been a big Ted\Robin fan but this year has been ecch.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Fri May 10, 2013 7:41 am

Zero wrote:I didn't like Happy Endings 3 as much as 2, because I think the characters might be getting too many tics and quirks for my taste but it's still been very very funny. The Office has produced some interesting stuff as it winds down, but HIMYM has been getting very very poor. I have always been a big Ted\Robin fan but this year has been ecch.


I don't watch HIMYM or The Office anymore, they are too depressing to me now.
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Zero

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Postby Zero » Fri May 10, 2013 7:44 am

Try watching this week's Office, it's the last one before the finale and had some really nice stuff.
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Glacier16

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Postby Glacier16 » Fri May 10, 2013 8:37 am

I enjoyed the episode but hadn't realized it was the season finale.
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Rockman

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Postby Rockman » Fri May 10, 2013 9:46 am

I didn't get a chance to watch this episode yet.

But I know it involves Darkest Timeline stuff. And I hate to say it, but upon reviewing I do not like Remedial Chaos Theory very much.

I feel like it wasn't very funny on repeated viewings, even tedious as the gimmick doesn't offer much variation.

People talk about how this show is inaccessible, and I think that episode or the video game episode are the most inaccessible episodes of the show period, and both episodes rely soley on their gimmicks to sell them and not much more.

Punchy is right that the show started going off the rails in season 3, while I like the season a lot on the whole, to me it's obvious that the show had the best balance in season 2, by a wide margin. They used gimmicky episodes to cater to their audience, but actually stuffed those episodes with some really solid stuff. Like the aforementioned claymation episode, big gimmick, but stuffed with fantastic character stuff that makes it worth rewatching every Christmas.
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Keb

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Postby Keb » Fri May 10, 2013 10:10 am

What a whimper...

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