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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Pecs » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:34 pm

I figured it would be a timeline/future/unconfirmed thing with her, so he wouldn't actually have to have a kid in the main title/continuity.
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Postby blah » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:55 pm

Here are mine so far:

15. The Monstrous Hulk
Written by Fahd Mohamed
Pencils and inks by Mike Deadato Jr. or Doug Braithwaite

A noble act gave the monster inside Bruce Banner life, and after months of suffering he intends to kill it using the help of his research partners Emil and Sylvia Blonsky.

Main Cast: Bruce Banner/The Hulk, Emil Blonsky/The monster we know as Abomination, Sylvia Blonsky (new character, maybe I'll keep her name Nadia instead of Sylvia, but Sylvia can sound more negative, I think, at least to English speakers, since apparently it has a nice meaning), Betty Banner.
This is for the first arc, 3-6 issues.

Notes:
I'll set up what Bruce did, what he becomes, more or less in the beginning of the series.
The Hulk has been around for a few months now, and is all over the news--though it's not known that Bruce is actually the monster.
I want the Hulk to actually be a monster in the beginning of the series. I can get around this explaining that Bruce doesn't have control of the Hulk yet and that's why he is the way he is.
This means that the Hulk will actually cause dozens of deaths--this isn't Bruce at all. This is a monster.
This Hulk is beyond Bruce at first, he is very much a monster and hardly a man--as in, a rampaging monster that wouldn't think twice about stepping on people or throwing a car at an annoying helicopter or leveling a neighborhood just out of anger. And again it's not clear what's causing Bruce to be the Hulk. Bruce has no control here at all for now.
Not too hideous, I think. But not so much this man-like form that we're used to.
I realize now that doing this would make the reader sympathize more with average people who think the Hulk is a monster--because they are right. At first, anyway.
Betty knows his condition but she's not his lab partner or anything, and he hardly sees her because he's afraid that the Hulk might hurt her. She is understanding and she still loves him, and she gives him his room. But she still wants to be with him up-close of course. So something stupid is bound to happen. This isn't lab partner Betty or General Ross' Betty, this is just a lady named Betty. I can change her name if it's confusing, make another character.
With almost no one to trust except his lab partners, Bruce turns to Emil and Sylvia, telling them the situation (and knowing that he really is a walking bomb). Consider that Emil and Sylvia are courageous enough to help Bruce with his strange, uncontrolled condition. But it might be the case that they're looking for something. I mean, people misjudge others' intentions all the time, right? And friends can turn on each other very quickly of course.
We find details about Bruce's condition--randomly turns into the monster, loss of control of the monster, an extremely fast healing factor. Not only this but we know that he's extremely powerful.
Problems I'd be facing now is that I don't know why
Emil takes advantage of Bruce's situation, gets a little hungry for his power, with Sylvia goading him on. In fact, we find that Emil is pretty much lead by Sylvia. She is in control of Emil. Think of the Betty-Bruce relationship gone vile. This relationship is pretty key to our story. Sylvia is smart, she doesn't want to be the monster, but the one who controls the monster. And she is in full control here. She knows that if it goes bad Emil will have the army and other Superheroes after him (they want Super-Soldiers), and she's not sure how strong the Hulk is, so she's not sure how strong this new monster can be and how much he can take.
The problem I'd face is: How does Sylvia know she'll be in control of the monster, because the monster would have Emil blank out? I think I can have Emil and Sylvia altar Hulk's blood accordingly. It's a stretch, I know.
Emil's weak-minded, so she will convince Emil to do whatever.
Sylvia and Emil succeed, turning Emil into this monster just as strong, with the same abilities. But also with one weakness, namely Sylvia. He also can't turn back. So that might be why Sylvia doesn't try turning herself into a monster.
I want Emil to be a sick version of Gladiator, with Sylvia being the only confidence boost he has. Very weak-minded when it comes to Sylvia. In the old comics, Emil was abusive, I think I want to make Emil be the abused here. It's funny, such a power with such a weak mind!
Not sure how I want to play with Betty's character, but I might have her be a bit of a contrast to Sylvia, being the Hulk's calm and cool, while Sylvia is a very completing part of Emil's sick head at least, if not the one leading the sickness. Sylvia uses Emil's monster, but Betty doesn't want to use the Hulk. Sylvia wants the monster, but Betty wants her Bruce back. I like the idea that some people like Sylvia would use monsters, but some people like Betty would let them be until they get better.
The Hulk faces him. Sylvia's injured, Emil kills Betty before breaking down since Sylvia's down.
I want Betty to be there even though Bruce told her not to. Or maybe I can make it a coincidence.
Emil's monster is apparently completely destroyed (note the healing factor) and the Hulk takes off, either leaving Betty or taking the body with him, I'm not sure.
The arc almost ends with General Ross acquiring the other monster (note that I want Emil's blood in use). Sylvia's connection to all this isn't known of course--she's just the lady whose husband turned into the monster.
But after that we cut to a scene taking much later where a man named Reed Richards is looking for the Hulk, hunting him down thinking that he's some kind of alien threat.
I think I'll have one more arc before I let Reed and Hulk meet. Maybe give Bruce a little control first.

This book won't be for kids. I want it to start dark and scary. But not without a lot of action and psychological horror.
Eventually I will have Reed work with Hulk.
Not sure how to make him look more heroic though, given that I wanted him to look a little horrifying at first. Maybe Reed can help, since he's the most brilliant mind on Earth and all?
I want the Hulk to go on these horrible, mostly suicidal out of the Earth missions. He just doesn't care anymore anyway, with Betty gone and the Earth certainly not considering Bruce's newfound control, so he's just aiming to kill the bad folks, no matter how insanely powerful they are. With Hulk's immense power, Bruce's intellect (which will eventually be part of the Hulk) and Reed's genius, this will be insanely interesting.

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34. Marvelous World
Written by various
Art by various

Superheroes share a universe with average people who hate them to the point of slandering them on a paper and even wanting them to get out of their country or love them to the point wanting to be one of their side-kicks. This is the Marvel universe from the perspective of the average people whose lives are affected by those men and women with strange abilities.

Notes:
You guys know those back-up stories called Batman: Black & White they used to do for Batman: Gotham Knights? I want something like this and Spider-Man's Tangled Web.
A series, called Marvelous World or something like that, that would focus on very strange, funny tales regarding heroes and would show heroes interacting with regular people. Like, a guy getting caught in a fight between Iron-Man and the Hulk and actually helping Iron-Man out. Or a character putting his journalism job on the line because he believes that Spider-Man is actually a good guy. Or a few Parkour kids who, being inspired by Daredevil, go out and act like him trying to help people--and one of the nights they do this they run into Bullseye and Daredevil saves them.
I think there'd need to be something common to those stories, but I don't know what.
I'd love to write something like that. I think each issue would have one or two different stories. All in continuity too. And I think I would be able to write it very well because the stories would be short.

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The Fantasticals
Starring Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, Ben Grimm, and others

Reed Richards is blessed with a genius reviling even the universe's most advanced species', and he's using it and his team to hunt for threats from space.

Notes
I don't want this to be Fantastic Four, this is something else. I will keep the powers to a minimum and just have Reed be this genius whose technology gives all these incredible abilities, such as invisibility. Iron Man doesn't hold a candle to Reed here when it comes to genius, or in the badass department.
This group will be composed of regular people. The Hulk will join this team for a while, and maybe others will join it too when the Hulk leaves.
I want this group to be our space group. This is the group that will interact with Silver Surfer, Galactus, and all those out of the world threats.
I keep thinking that it's a great idea to just have these be regular humans. But I have a feeling this will parallel Iron Man too much.
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby kwiktpyer » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:50 pm

44. ROM of Galador
Writer: Scott Kolins
Art: Bill Sienkiewicz

Emerging from the Black Nebula, the shape-shifting Dire Wraiths threaten all life throughout the cosmos.

To defeat the Dire Wraiths, the Prime Director recruits the best and brightest from throughout the galaxy. First and greatest among the Spaceknights is ROM. ROM was raised in the utopian society of Galador, before it was destroyed by a Dire Wraith invasion. Now, seemingly the last Galadoran, ROM leads the war against the Wraiths.

Fitted with organic armor and the Prime Director's greatest weapon, the Neutralizer, ROM is tasked with defending a sector of space that includes Earth. ROM must overcome the fear and paranoia of humanity and recruit Earth's heroes in his war against the Dire Wraiths

Featuring: ROM, classic and new Spaceknight characters, Prime Director, and Marvel hero guest stars galore


Sakie, I don't know if this really works for your NuMarvel 52 idea since, ROM is a licensed character and he hasn't been overtly featured in a comic in approx 25+ years...but I thought it would make a gritty mash-up of the original ROM with Marvel Team-Up adventures and Superman/GLCorps themes thrown in.

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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Grayson » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:56 pm

kwiktpyer wrote:Sakie, I don't know if this really works for your NuMarvel 52 idea since, ROM is a licensed character and he hasn't been overtly featured in a comic in approx 25+ years...but I thought it would make a fun mash-up of the original ROM with Marvel Team-Up adventures and Superman/GLCorps themes thrown in.


Thank you for your picks and that is the fun of this. Instead of one or two people controlling the destiny of an entire comic company, we have invited everyone to participate. There are some great books so far and I know that ROM has a following, so this title will fit in great with what we are trying to accomplish. Interestingly enough, there are one or two main characters from the real Marvel universe who are still absent from our relaunch, so I can't wait to see what happens with the remaining picks.
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Postby SilverPhoenix » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:03 pm

45) Black Widow: The World's deadliest Superspy

Writer: Marjorie Liu
Artist: Dexter Vines

Main and Recurring Cast: Black Widow, Bucky Barnes, Gabe Jones, Sharon Carter

Series Premise:

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the high stakes espionage game had continued to be replaced with something more benign. What was once considered essential to the survival of the Western/Soviet way of life had now been propped up by tradition.However, with the rebirth of the Superhuman, the arms race that has gone with it has made this "outdated tradition" necessary once again. With enemies no longer following the original rules of government vs government a type of Spy that can play by those rules are needed. Enter Natasha Romaoff. Enter the Black Widow.

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Postby HNutz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:06 pm

Actually, I don't really see Agency X as an X book, but more of a team book.

(I've got a few in mind, I'm just not always around to type them in every 10-12 hours).

46) Prime! by Bendis/Bagley

This is the story of a thirteen year-old boy named Kevin Green with the power to transform into a super-powered adult. In this sense, he is much like the Golden Age Captain Marvel. Like the Modern Age version of Captain Marvel, Kevin retains the thoughts, memories and consciousness of his thirteen year-old self as Prime. This is a chief source of conflict for the character as he is frequently placed in adult situations and circumstances he may not be mature enough to deal with.In fact, it is frequently suggested that the appearance of the Prime-body is formed mostly by Kevin's subconscious. Many of the features of the Prime-body are taken from Kevin's role models such as action stars and comic book superheroes. The face of Prime also bears a striking resemblance to Kevin's own father, Russell Green. In effect the Prime-body reflects Kevin's own attitudes towards heroism at any given moment. As such, Prime's physical appearance has changed numerous times. Common elements exist among the different Prime-bodies though, such as a stylized 'P' resting somewhere on his chest or cape and some metallic adornment such as chains or gauntlets. Maybe one form looks more like Spider-Man, Captain America or Thor... or, if he's been watching movies, maybe John McCaine or Indiana Jones.

I wanted to put Bendis and Bagley on it because I really liked how they took on a teenaged Spider-Man and I wanted to let them take on a character that would let them be a little more original. Figure they could nail the teenage life and struggles, create a rogues gallery (either by making up new characters or totally revamping old, forgotten ones) and giving them a little more freedom (by having a character with a little more leeway). Would be interested to see what they can come up with.
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby SilverPhoenix » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:09 pm

Question: Should CrossGen be apart of the 52, or should we open up 13 slots for a new, revitalized, CrossGen?

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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Dragavon » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:12 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:Question: Should CrossGen be apart of the 52, or should we open up 13 slots for a new, revitalized, CrossGen?

Crossgen should not be part of the 52.
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Grayson » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:18 pm

Here are our confirmed NuMarvel launch titles so far (now with characters):
1.) Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes by Ed Brubaker and Olivier Coipel
Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man, Giant Man, The Wasp, Hawkeye, The Black Panther, Ms. Marvel
2.) Uncanny X-Men by Jason Aaron and The Dodsons
Storm, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Rogue, Gambit, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Banshee, Dazzler
3.) X-Statix by Joe Kelly and Adrian Alphona
Mr. Sensitive, El Guapo, Phat, Vivisector, Princess Diana, Dead Girl, Doop
4.) Captain Marvel by Craig Kyle, Chris Yost, and Paco Medina
Mar-Vell, Genis-Vell, Phyla-Vell, (supporting cast) Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Abigail Brand, SHIELD, SWORD
5.) Guardians of the Galaxy by Dan Abnett, Andy Lanning, and Paul Pelletier
6.) Strange Tales by Paul Cornell and Leonard Kirk
Werewolf by Night, Doctor Voodoo, Ulysses & Elisa Bloodstone, Blade, Hellstrom (rotating)
7.) Amazing Spider-Man by Mark Waid and Andrea DiVito
Peter Parker, Jessica Drew
8.) Wolverine: Weapon X by Chris Yost and Barry Windsor Smith
Wolverine, Deadpool, Sabretooth, Maverick, Wraith, Fantomex
9.) X-Force by Chris Claremont and Stefano Caselli
Cannonball, Boom-Boom (Tabitha Smith), Warpath, X-23, Magik, Sunspot, Shatterstar
10.) Photon by Christopher Priest and Mark Bright
11.) Daredevil by Nick Spencer and Dale Eaglesham
12.) Agency X by Gail Simone and UDON
Taskmaster, Outlaw, Alex Hayden, Scourge (original), Sandi, Nick Fury (flashback, occasional guest star)
13.) Cloak & Dagger by ??? and ???
14.) The Thunderbolts by Greg Rucka and George Perez
The Black Cat, Helmut Zemo, Fixer, The Beetles, Blizzard, Quicksand, Sandman, Ghost, Vulture, Rhino, Mentallo, Speed Demon, Screwball, Joystick, Armadillo, Black Mamba, Asp, Supercharger, Unuscione, Slyde, Chemistro, Gray Gargoyle, Tombstone, Scorcher, Letha, Lascivious, Poundcakes, Man-Killer, The Spot and Moonstone.
15.) Invincible Iron Fist by Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction, and Steve Epting
16.) The Incredible Hulk by Fahd Mohamed and Mike Deadato Jr.
17.) Captain America by Ed Brubaker and Steve McNiven; back-up stories by Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Scriver
Steve Rogers, Bucky, Nick Fury, Peggy Carter, Sharon Carter, Wolverine, Dum Dum Dugan, the Howling Commandos, Baron Zemo
18.) Great Lakes Avengers by Dan Slott and Rob Liefeld
Mr. Immortal, Flat-Man, Big Bertha, Doorman, Dinah Soar, Squirrel Girl, Living Lightning vs. Egghead and his Great Lakes Masters of Evil
19.) X-Factor by Peter David and Salvador Larocca
Havok, Polaris, Multiple Man, Marvel Girl (Rachel Grey), Siryn, Strong Guy, Val Cooper
20.) Nova by Dan Abnett, Andy Lanning, Pia Guerra, and Gabriele Dell'Otto
Richard Rider, the Worldmind, Drax, Gamora, Ronan the Accuser, Crystal, Kang the Conqueror
21.) Agents of Atlas by Jeff Parker and Amy Reeder
Jimmy Woo, 3D Man (Delroy Garrett), Namora, Venus, Gorilla Man, M-11, The Uranian, Monica Ranbeau
22.) Shroud by Andy Diggle and Alex Maleev
23.) Astonishing Spider-Man by Mark Waid and Sean Chen
Ben Reilly
24.) The Secret Defenders by J. Michael Straczynski and John Cassaday
Captain Britain, The Black Knight, Dr. Strange, Meggan, The Night Man, Mantra, The Scarlet Witch, Adam Warlock, Rune, Morgan le Fey, and Shuma Gorath.
25.) Dr. Giant-Size Strange Man-Thing by Grant Morrison and David Finch
Dr. Strange, Man-Thing
26.) Secret Warriors by Warren Ellis and Nguyen
Clay Quartermain, Shamrock, Daisy Johnson, Mimic (alt), Dr. Essex/Mr. Sinister (alt), Amadeus Cho, Nick Fury (recurring guest star), Jessica Jones & Dakota North (occasional guest stars)
27.) Savages by John Byrne
Ka-Zar, Shanna the She-Devil, Moon-Boy, Devil Dinosaur & Zabu
28.) Black Panther by Hine and Capillo
29.) Journey into Mystery by J. Michael Straczynski and Olivier Coipel
Thor, Odin, Jane Foster, The Warriors Three (Fandral, Volstaag, Hogun), Sif, Balder, Loki, Kelda, and Bill
30.) The Spectacular Spider-Man by Robert Kirkman and Ryan Ottley
31.) Young Avengers by Christos Gage and Jim Cheung
Iron Lad, Wiccan, Speed, Gravity, Firestar, Justice, Veil, Victor and Lucy in the Sky
32.) Night Thrasher: The Man Without Fear! by David Liss and Francesco Francavilla
33.) What If? by a Rotating Line-Up of all-star writers and artists!
34.) Marvelous World by John Romita Jr.
35.) Songbird by Cullen Bunn and Andrea DiVito
Songbird, Baron Strucker, Andrea "Swordswoman" Strucker
36.) Tales to Astonish by Gail Simone and Rags Morales
Giant Man, The Wasp, Ultron, Carol Danvers, Simon Williams, M.O.D.O.K, and A.I.M.
37.) The Punisher by Christos Gage and Stefano Caselli
38.) The Pride by Jeff Parker and Leonard Kirk
Blade, N'kantu the Living Mummy, Nina Prince, Jennifer Kale, Brother (not Doctor) Voodoo, Danny Ketch, Spitfire, Rintrah, and John Walker
39.) Kiss of the Spider-Women By Gail Simone and Mary Mitchell
Julia Carpenter, Mattie Franklin, Anya Corazon, May Parker, and Madam Web
40.) The New Mutants by Marc Andreyko and Michael Gaydos
Shadowcat, Cypher, Dr. Cecilia Reyes, Karma, Psylocke, Empath, Madison Jeffries, Blindfold, and Professor X
41.) The Invaders by David Liss and Paul Azaceta
Captain America, Bucky, Namor, The Human Torch, Toro, Lord James Montgomery Falsworth, Union Jack, Spitfire, Nicholas Fury, Corporal Timothy Aloysius Cadwallader "Dum Dum" Dugan, Private Gabriel Jones, Private Percival Pinkerton
42.) Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday
Cyclops, Emma Frost-Summers, Iceman, Angel, the Beast, Sabretooth, Blink, Morph
43.) ROM of Galador by Scott Kolins and Bill Sienkiewicz
ROM, classic and new Spaceknight characters, Prime Director, and Marvel hero guest stars galore
44.) Black Widow: The World's Deadliest Superspy by Marjorie Liu and Dexter Vines
Black Widow, Bucky Barnes, Gabe Jones, and Sharon Carter
44.) Prime! by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley

Here are our rumored NuMarvel titles: (Rumored only because they don't follow the rules yet)
* The Initiative by Christos Gage, Fred Van Lente and more
* Marvel Stars by Chris Eliopoulos, Alex Zalben, Chris Giarrusso, Audrey Loeb, Ryan Dunlavey, Roger Langridge, Ig Guara, Gurihiru, Chris Giarrusso, Ryan Dunlavey, Roger Langridge, and Various
* The Fantasticals by Gabriele Dell'Otto
* Hellcat by Steve Englehart and Aaron Lopresti - Timbales, I love the suggestion but it wasn't 12 hours after your last pick. :( I have to hold it until it falls into the rules and you confirm you want to make it your next pick.
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby HNutz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:26 pm

I've got a freaking awesome creative team in mind.... just got to find a book for them. Conversely, I've got a fun team idea in mind, but I need to find a creative team for them (and I don't think that they'll go together).
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Postby blah » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:09 pm

HNutz wrote:I've got a freaking awesome creative team in mind.... just got to find a book for them. Conversely, I've got a fun team idea in mind, but I need to find a creative team for them (and I don't think that they'll go together).

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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Pecs » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:49 pm

kwiktpyer wrote:44. ROM of Galador

YES! I thought about him earlier today!
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Dragavon » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:34 pm

46. Indestructible Iron Man
Writer: Jonathon Hickman
Artist: Carlos Pacheco

Who is this strange hero made of metal? What does he have to do with Tony Stark? What happened to Stark's wealth? And why is Stark working for Horizon labs?

Find out the answers to these questions every month from Marvel, the greatest comic company in the universe!
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Grayson » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:52 pm

Dragavon wrote:46. Indestructible Iron Man
Writer: Jonathon Hickman
Artist: Carlos Pacheco

Who is this strange hero made of metal? What does he have to do with Tony Stark? What happened to Stark's wealth? And why is Stark working for Horizon labs?

Find out the answers to these questions every month from Marvel, the greatest comic company in the universe!


Ha! Somehow, I honestly thought that we were going to get through all 52 books without an Iron Man solo book or a title written by Bendis. I was proven wrong on both accounts today.
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Re: Creating Our Own Reboot: Marvel's 52

Postby Pecs » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:27 am

47. Marvel Girl
By Joe Kelly and Steve McNiven

Finally, a solo title for the latest and greatest legacy hero of our time! It's Marvel Girl! Following the adventures of Wade Wilson, a green-skirted criminally insane Bea Arthur fan with a healing factor and penchant for swordplay! Blood, gore, and pop cultural references fill the brim just as the fourth wall comes shattering down! Though once known as Deadpool, Wade Wilson's most hilarious, action-packed, and gender confused adventures come only under the guise of...Marvel Girl! And his trusty sidekick Bob: Agent of Hydra!
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