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by **funckygarcon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:55 pm

okay, so Marvel has done the trilogy of Spider-man, Daredevil, The Punisher...etc
and then came Iron Man, a movie and its sequel. now the issue i'm talking about here, is the character of Tony Stark. Okay he is funny and all, but don't u think that when u come back to the comics, he is not that funny? Spider-Man (Peter Parker) wasn't funny in his movies although he is the funniest character in all Marvel. but Tony Stark came off as the funniest character in Marvel and even in The Avengers movie, he had the best lines.

i think it's unfair to all the other characters, especially a character of the magnitude of Spidey or Captain America. don't u think so? he got the best lines and now he is officially the most popular avenger !!

by **CountD** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:07 pm

credit Robert Downey Jr's awesomeness

by **funckygarcon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:10 pm

CountD wrote:credit Robert Downey Jr's awesomeness

yes and it was too much. the other superheroes came off as lame, when u compare them with him. which isn't the case in the original comics.

by **Max Blyss** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:16 pm

I personally like it when a movie takes a character that I think is lame, and turns a frown upside down by making the character viable in a different medium.

Great examples of this are Iron Man & Blade... Both of them are one - man suckstorms in the funnybooks, but shined on screen.

Some characters like Batman, Supes, Wolvie, and the Punisher are more or less equally adaptable, but, IMO, characters like the FF, Silver Surfer, and Thor (+other Asgardians) suffer due to the fantastical nature of their stories, which lose quite a bit without narrative captions and thought bubbles.

Also, there's the bowdlerized, commercialized waste versions of greats like Jonah Hex and Cage Rider, ugh.

by **Timbales** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:22 pm

I think that Iron Man just struck on the right balance of being true to the spirit of the comic without being too slavish to the material. It also had people involved who seemed to like the character and respect the comic and didn't go far out with the concepts.

by **GHERU** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:23 pm

the movies did something the comics never could

make me like an Iron Man story

by **GHERU** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:24 pm

oh, and I think Marvle learned from SM 1-3 and XM 1-3 that the movies do not move comics, so why not make the best story they can?

by **funckygarcon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:25 pm

[quote="Max Blyss"]I personally like it when a movie takes a character that I think is lame, and turns a frown upside down by making the character viable in a different medium.

Great examples of this are Iron Man & Blade... Both of them are one - man suckstorms in the funnybooks, but shined on screen.

Some characters like Batman, Supes, Wolvie, and the Punisher are more or less equally adaptable, but, IMO, characters like the FF, Silver Surfer, and Thor (+other Asgardians) suffer due to the fantastical nature of their stories, which lose quite a bit without narrative captions and thought bubbles.

Also, there's the bowdlerized, commercialized waste versions of greats like Jonah Hex and Cage Rider, ugh

i like it too. but giving a character more than he deserves, is not fair for the other characters. i watched the Avengers. i enjoyed it. but once it ended, this question cam to my mind:- why does Iron Man get to say the funniest lines when he isn't funny in the comics? Iron Man was superior to everyone in an irritating way. now i want you to imagine that someone never heard of Spider-Man or Iron Man then watched both their movies. don't u think he will like Iron Man more. when this isn't even the case in the comics? they gotta keep it real, right?

by **funckygarcon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:27 pm

GHERU wrote:the movies did something the comics never could

make me like an Iron Man story

this is exactly what i'm talking about

by **Grayson** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:30 pm

funckygarcon wrote:yes and it was too much. the other superheroes came off as lame, when u compare them with him.

Really? I mean, while I like the version of the character that Robert Downey Jr. portrays in the movies, I am far from being an Iron Man fan. That being said, I just don't see what you are talking about. Captain America, Thor, Hawkeye, and the Black Widow were all portrayed as pretty amazing and competent characters in their own rights while the Hulk was down right incredible. In fact, if any character stole the spotlight, it was the Hulk.

I felt like Iron Man was sort of the outsider. He was the character who had to prove that he belonged in the Avengers with all of the rest of these incredible people.

by **funckygarcon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:32 pm

Sakie wrote:
Really? I mean, while I like the version of the character that Robert Downey Jr. portrays in the movies, I am far from being an Iron Man fan. That being said, I just don't see what you are talking about. Captain America, Thor, Hawkeye, and the Black Widow were all portrayed as pretty amazing and competent characters in their own rights while the Hulk was down right incredible. In fact, if any character stole the spotlight, it was the Hulk.

I felt like Iron Man was sort of the outsider. He was the character who had to prove that he belonged in the Avengers with all of the rest of these incredible people.

what i wanna say, is that they have to keep it real. why make him funnier that Spider-Man as an example?

by **habitual** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:36 pm

It sounds like your arguing to make the character less interesting because at one point in time he was a less interesting character in the comics.

Which to me doesn't make much sense if you want to make a good movie.

Hab

by **Max Blyss** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:38 pm

funckygarcon wrote:i like it too. but giving a character more than he deserves, is not fair for the other characters. i watched the Avengers. i enjoyed it. but once it ended, this question cam to my mind:- why does Iron Man get to say the funniest lines when he isn't funny in the comics? Iron Man was superior to everyone in an irritating way. now i want you to imagine that someone never heard of Spider-Man or Iron Man then watched both their movies. don't u think he will like Iron Man more. when this isn't even the case in the comics? they gotta keep it real, right?

I don't think there's any question of 'deserve'... It's more about what will work cinematically in terms of the characters, visuals, and actors...

In the case of Stark / IM, you have a few things that make an IM in a movie work out better than an IM comic:
1- Talented Actor with knack for cheeky, spontaneous delivery
2- Costume that is workable both as an actual costume, and as CGI for more effects - laden action scenes
3- Lack of required backstory (there's not a whole lot to Stark, IM, or their origin... EZ screenplay)
4- Easy to introduce and familiar concepts (IM is all about Technology... Something any idiot these days can relate to at least superficially, as opposed to interdimensional beings, supernatural bullshit, or far out scifi)

These things, IMO, make IM an easy and predictably entertaining MOVIE character, however the same qualities make him a shitty comic character. Look at other characters in the smae way and all these shitty comic movies make a lot more sense.

Movies and comics do not work by the smae principles in their respective crafts.

by **funckygarcon** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:39 pm

habitual wrote:It sounds like your arguing to make the character less interesting because at one point in time he was a less interesting character in the comics.

Which to me doesn't make much sense if you want to make a good movie.

Hab

yes,but in the perspective of a guy who never read a comic in his life. Iron Man is the funniest Marvel character. which isn't true.

by **MikeinLA** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:44 pm

funckygarcon wrote:okay, so Marvel has done the trilogy of Spider-man, Daredevil, The Punisher...etc
and then came Iron Man, a movie and its sequel. now the issue i'm talking about here, is the character of Tony Stark. Okay he is funny and all, but don't u think that when u come back to the comics, he is not that funny? Spider-Man (Peter Parker) wasn't funny in his movies although he is the funniest character in all Marvel. but Tony Stark came off as the funniest character in Marvel and even in The Avengers movie, he had the best lines.

i think it's unfair to all the other characters, especially a character of the magnitude of Spidey or Captain America. don't u think so? he got the best lines and now he is officially the most popular avenger !!

Based on the reactions of the audience I saw the movie with, the average fan thinks the Hulk is the funniest Avenger.