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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby The Old Doctor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:19 am

If the movie does well... does this mean the homophobes are winning? Or that people can separate the politics of an asshat from his work?
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:23 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:If the movie does well... does this mean the homophobes are winning? Or that people can separate the politics of an asshat from his work?


It means people can rationalize it to themselves by saying that the politics are separate from the work. :P
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby outsider » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:23 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:Or that people can separate the politics of an asshat from his work?
Apparently not. I like Rosemary's Baby, so now I need to go diddle some underage chick.
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby The Old Doctor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:26 am

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It means people can rationalize it to themselves by saying that the politics are separate from the work. :P


Being rational is always the escape hatch, isn't it? :smt011
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
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""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby habitual » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:27 am

It's a Lions Gate production, same company that made The Hunger Games.

I've read that the budget was slightly in excess of $100 million which I could see it making a small profit.

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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby outsider » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:29 am

The trailer went full-on 1970s in their approach. There's no mystery as to whether it's a 'game' or not and we see him sacrifice the entire fleet to blow up the Formic homeworld. They must have figured everyone has read the book already?
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby The Old Doctor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:30 am

outsider wrote:Apparently not. I like Rosemary's Baby, so now I need to go diddle some underage chick.


I don't like that movie, but I did and do like Chinatown and Ghost Writer.

Chinatown makes me want an orange while Ghost Writer makes me want to go drive a BMW suv and diddle a middle-aged English woman... and Kim Cattrall.
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
"Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"
""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby The Old Doctor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:32 am

outsider wrote:The trailer went full-on 1970s in their approach. There's no mystery as to whether it's a 'game' or not and we see him sacrifice the entire fleet to blow up the Formic homeworld. They must have figured everyone has read the book already?


"It's all about the journey, not the destination."

I'll wait for the screams of child on child violence and bullying in the film...
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
"Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"
""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby outsider » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:33 am

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It means people can rationalize it to themselves by saying that the politics are separate from the work. :P

Off-topic/tangential question: when did 'rationalize' develop a negative connotation? I've always equated 'rational' with knowledgeable, conscious, responsible types; however, in these types of discussions (typically those involving differences of socio-moral opinion), when the term 'rationalize' typically takes on a more negative slant, as if one isn't taking an enlightened path.
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby The Old Doctor » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:34 am

outsider wrote:Off-topic/tangential question: when did 'rationalize' develop a negative connotation? I've always equated 'rational' with knowledgeable, conscious, responsible types; however, in these types of discussions (typically those involving differences of socio-moral opinion), when the term 'rationalize' typically takes on a more negative slant, as if one isn't taking an enlightened path.



You missed the :P meaning he was being Jude... aka sarcastic.
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
"Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby outsider » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:37 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:
"It's all about the journey, not the destination."

I'll wait for the screams of child on child violence and bullying in the film...
My kids really want to see Ender's Game because it has kids doing the fighting, spaceships and cool explosions.
I told them to STFU, that they were supporting homophobia.
And then my wife saw that it was PG-13 and told me I couldn't take them. :x :lol:
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:38 am

outsider wrote:Off-topic/tangential question: when did 'rationalize' develop a negative connotation? I've always equated 'rational' with knowledgeable, conscious, responsible types; however, in these types of discussions (typically those involving differences of socio-moral opinion), when the term 'rationalize' typically takes on a more negative slant, as if one isn't taking an enlightened path.


It's an NA/AA thing. Addicts rationalize their drug use, I.E. "It puts me in a better mood so I don't beat my wife." :P
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby outsider » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:39 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:

You missed the :P meaning he was being Jude... aka sarcastic.
Oh, I know, ThanosCo...JUDE is always non-serious (except about dodgeball... that's always SRS), but I have noticed that term show up in that context, typically as a passive guilt-trip method.
Oh, if you want *rationalize* it, then go right ahead....
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:41 am

outsider wrote:Oh, I know, ThanosCo...JUDE is always non-serious (except about dodgeball... that's always SRS), but I have noticed that term show up in that context, typically as a passive guilt-trip method.
Oh, if you want *rationalize* it, then go right ahead....


NA is where I first heard it used that way, and what I was thinking of when I wrote this article. I'm not ThanosCopter though (this article is written by me, but lists ThanosCopter Newswire as the source). :P
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Re: Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophob

Postby Strict31 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:42 am

outsider wrote:Off-topic/tangential question: when did 'rationalize' develop a negative connotation? I've always equated 'rational' with knowledgeable, conscious, responsible types; however, in these types of discussions (typically those involving differences of socio-moral opinion), when the term 'rationalize' typically takes on a more negative slant, as if one isn't taking an enlightened path.

"Rationalize" doesn't have a negative connotation...not inherently, but in standard use, it is equated usually with an attempt to explain away uncomfortable or inconvenient details in order to arrive at a conclusion.

Like redefining torture as "enhanced interrogation techniques". Or fucking an ugly chick just so you can put your dick into something that's alive.

We rationalize all the time here on the OH in any number of political threads, so I'm sure you've seen it implemented in the fashion Jude means.
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