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Ender's Game Fans Excited to Indirectly Support Homophobia and Bigotry This Friday

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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:25 am

outsider wrote:What about the link/quote I posted from Garth Franklin at Dark Horizons?
I'm pretty sure he's gay--if he says it's okay to see the movie, doesn't that mean we get a pass?


Textbook rationalization. :P
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The Old Doctor

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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:27 am

If someone download a camcopy of it... is that okay and not homophobic?
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:30 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:If someone download a camcopy of it... is that okay and not homophobic?


You guys are not paying attention.

It's not homophobic to watch the movie.

It's indirectly supporting homophobia. That's a fact, and I didn't tell anyone to boycott it or not watch it or burn his books. I just made fun of the rationalization that goes on to ignore the plain fact that seeing the movie is indirectly supporting Card's behavior, and the response to my fun-making has been... a whole lot of rationalization. :-D
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StarCruncher

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Postby StarCruncher » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:38 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
You guys are not paying attention.

It's not homophobic to watch the movie.

It's indirectly supporting homophobia. That's a fact, and I didn't tell anyone to boycott it or not watch it or burn his books. I just made fun of the rationalization that goes on to ignore the plain fact that seeing the movie is indirectly supporting Card's behavior, and the response to my fun-making has been... a whole lot of rationalization. :-D
I didn't realize "rationalization" was synonymous with "grasping straws" or "axe-grinding". We've got a movie based on a book whose (not-that-famous) author is a bigot. If the aforementioned article is correct, Card will not receive any direct support from the movie's box office, only a secondary (probably tertiary) result of books sold. Most, if not all, of the people making the movie had no clue about Card's ideology, yet you're trying to guilt trip people into not seeing the movie? Why does it stop there? Marvel Comics and DC have paid Card, even when his bigoted ideology was well-known within the much smaller comics fanbase/industry. By extension, supporting Marvel or DC is "indirectly supporting homophobia".

Lulz aside, is the inconsistency of your guilt trip part of the click-generating show?
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Postby Strict31 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:39 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
You guys are not paying attention.

It's not homophobic to watch the movie.

It's indirectly supporting homophobia. That's a fact, and I didn't tell anyone to boycott it or not watch it or burn his books. I just made fun of the rationalization that goes on to ignore the plain fact that seeing the movie is indirectly supporting Card's behavior, and the response to my fun-making has been... a whole lot of rationalization. :-D


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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:49 am

outsider wrote:I didn't realize "rationalization" was synonymous with "grasping straws" or "axe-grinding". We've got a movie based on a book whose (not-that-famous) author is a bigot. If the aforementioned article is correct, Card will not receive any direct support from the movie's box office, only a secondary (probably tertiary) result of books sold. Most, if not all, of the people making the movie had no clue about Card's ideology, yet you're trying to guilt trip people into not seeing the movie? Why does it stop there? Marvel Comics and DC have paid Card, even when his bigoted ideology was well-known within the much smaller comics fanbase/industry. By extension, supporting Marvel or DC is "indirectly supporting homophobia".

Lulz aside, is the inconsistency of your guilt trip part of the click-generating show?


i haven't told anyone not to see the movie. :lol:

In looking around the net, I saw people (most notably, a thread on IMDB.com titled "Can We Just Forget About This Gay Rights Issue Already," making excuses for why seeing the movie is not the same thing as supporting what Card has done and may do in the future. I'm simply pointing out that, no, it IS supporting him, even if indirectly, and even if only a little bit, even if through tertiary book sales, even if by showing movie studios it's okay to buy books from bigots, even if because it causes someone to buy an Ender's Game coffee mug that was licensed from the book by mistake that makes Card 5 cents.

The only correct response to this is "Yes, it is supporting him to some debatable degree, but I don't care and I'm seeing it anyway." :P
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Postby StarCruncher » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:56 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:i haven't told anyone not to see the movie. :lol:
Bitch, pleeeez. The title of your article is doing everything but. (heh, butt)
S.F. Jude Terror wrote:In looking around the net, I saw people (most notably, a thread on IMDB.com titled "Can We Just Forget About This Gay Rights Issue Already," making excuses for why seeing the movie is not the same thing as supporting what Card has done and may do in the future. I'm simply pointing out that, no, it IS supporting him, even if indirectly, and even if only a little bit, even if through tertiary book sales, even if by showing movie studios it's okay to buy books from bigots, even if because it causes someone to buy an Ender's Game coffee mug that was licensed from the book by mistake that makes Card 5 cents.
That way lies madness. That's as nutty as never buying another comic book because Jack Kirby got fucked back in the day. If anyone is going that 'deep' into looking for things to boycott, good luck finding something to purchase at a place that has no association with anything that's ever offended anyone.

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:The only correct response to this is "Yes, it is supporting him to some debatable degree, but I don't care and I'm seeing it anyway." :P
Seeing Ender's Game supports Card as much as seeing Thor: The Dark World supports Walt Simonson or JMS.

I don't understand why the art can't be separated from the artist. Or conversely, let's get the artists celebrated more--Walt deserves his propers.
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Postby bkthomson » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:12 am

I did not like the book so I am not going to see it, but I will be watching The Cat From Outer-Space this weekend.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:16 am

outsider wrote:Bitch, pleeeez. The title of your article is doing everything but. (heh, butt)
That way lies madness. That's as nutty as never buying another comic book because Jack Kirby got fucked back in the day. If anyone is going that 'deep' into looking for things to boycott, good luck finding something to purchase at a place that has no association with anything that's ever offended anyone.

Seeing Ender's Game supports Card as much as seeing Thor: The Dark World supports Walt Simonson or JMS.

I don't understand why the art can't be separated from the artist. Or conversely, let's get the artists celebrated more--Walt deserves his propers.


I didn't say to never see the movie or never buy the book though. I just thought it was funny to point out the rationalization. To be clear, if I had any interest in the book (I've never read it), I would buy it or watch the movie. The fact is, I'm just not interested. Won't even torrent it or watch it on TV. But if I were, I would. I just wouldn't make excuses about it. :P
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:18 am

Actually, that's not true, I probably would make excuses. :P

I still think it's funny to point out though, and people get so defensive.
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Postby StarCruncher » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:24 am

The book is good, but I read it when I was probably 12 or 13 - the right age to read the book. I re-read it a year ago and it's still good, but not as AMAZING as it was when I was younger. But to approach that book with an older, seasoned perspective is only going to cause the book to suffer.
(A similar scenario happened when I finally read Gibson's Neuromancer as an adult.)
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Postby StarCruncher » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:27 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Actually, that's not true, I probably would make excuses. :P

I still think it's funny to point out though, and people get so defensive.
If I were more excited about this movie, I would go see it with a guilt-free conscience. As good an actor as Asa Butterfield is (Hugo was fantastic!), he's too old to play Ender. I would have preferred an animated or CGI adaptation so we'd get younger children (no pedo).

Plus, movie tickets and babysitters are expensive. I'm saving my money for Thor. 8)
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Rockman

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Postby Rockman » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:32 am

Does a movie failing really affect a key grip?
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The Old Doctor

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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:35 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
You guys are not paying attention.

It's not homophobic to watch the movie.

It's indirectly supporting homophobia. That's a fact, and I didn't tell anyone to boycott it or not watch it or burn his books. I just made fun of the rationalization that goes on to ignore the plain fact that seeing the movie is indirectly supporting Card's behavior, and the response to my fun-making has been... a whole lot of rationalization. :-D


Uh, how does "indirectly supporting homophobia" not equal supporting homophobia or more specifically be homophobic?

Honestly, you guys are making it hard to choose to be homophobic or not! STOP CONFUSING ME!!!

Also, what is homophobic in the movie? The book?

How the hell can this not be some twisted guide in how to be a homophobic?!? It fails to tell us how!!! THIS IS NOT RATIONAL?!?!

Stop taking my choices away you nazicommieteapartyobamaists!!! :smt013
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Strict31

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Postby Strict31 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:36 am

Rockman wrote:Does a movie failing really affect a key grip?


This demands further investigation. I suggest we table the discussion for now and reconvene after we've examined the financial impact upon the Key Grip (and all the Grips he or she supervises).

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