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[rdrsfn82]

I don't see how someone can be an author and not 'push their ideas' onto a reader.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

I love Dr Seuss books. I'm just saying accusing him of having a liberal agenda isn't really a debatable thing. He clearly did. And it's probably one of the biggest reasons I have some of the views I have.

[Timbales]

I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

I love Dr Seuss books. I'm just saying accusing him of having a liberal agenda isn't really a debatable thing. He clearly did. And it's probably one of the biggest reasons I have some of the views I have.

Agenda is a loaded word.

[rdrsfn82]

And he had an agenda.

[chap22]

semantics

No it's not. Presenting is offering an idea for considerartion. It can intrigue a reader and allow them to decide if they want to accept it or not. Sometimes it will even involve the fair presentation of conflicting views, as hard as that may be to fathom in today's society, Pushing is telling the reader what they should think and why the author's idea is right above anything else.

Good authors can easily present an idea without pushing it, if they choose to

[Timbales]

No it's not. Presenting is offering an idea for considerartion. It can intrigue a reader and allow them to decide if they want to accept it or not. Sometimes it will even involve the fair presentation of conflicting views, as hard as that may be to fathom in today's society, Pushing is telling the reader what they should think and why the author's idea is right above anything else.

Good authors can easily present an idea without pushing it, if they choose to

Let's see them do it in 1-4 line rhyming structure in 20 pages intended for children. I've never read a Seuss book where the character said "Reader, you should...."

[Log-Man]

Lou Dobbs probably thinks Dr. Seuss performed abortions.

The movie of Horton Hears a Who was an abortion, does that count? It killed my interest in these modern adaptations of Seuss before The Lorax was even born.

[Timbales]

I don't understand Christian conservatives in America.

"Look at this beautiful field the God created - full of wildflowers, trees, a stream - all His work and design. Get the bulldozer and level this shit out, we need a new Cracker Barrell."

[MoneyMelon]

I don't understand Christian conservatives in America.

"Look at this beautiful field the God created - full of wildflowers, trees, a stream - all His work and design. Get the bulldozer and level this shit out, we need a new Cracker Barrell."

[Dragavon]

I don't understand Christian conservatives in America.

"Look at this beautiful field the God created - full of wildflowers, trees, a stream - all His work and design. Get the bulldozer and level this shit out, we need a new Cracker Barrell."

I think the thinking goes something like this: "God made Nature and it was okay. Then God made the concepts of Money and Capitalism, and they are God's greatest creations. Nature is okay as long as it doesn't interfere with Money and Capitalism."

[rdrsfn82]

I don't understand Christian conservatives in America.

"Look at this beautiful field the God created - full of wildflowers, trees, a stream - all His work and design. Get the bulldozer and level this shit out, we need a new Cracker Barrell."

[chap22]

Let's see them do it in 1-4 line rhyming structure in 20 pages intended for children. I've never read a Seuss book where the character said "Reader, you should...."

hey, you originally said "an author"; i wasn't arguing for Dr. Suess specifically. God love that liberal whackjob, though...

[rdrsfn82]

The first time I read some of his anti-Japanese comments from the WWII era, it melted my brain.

How could the guy that wrote the Sneetches make racist comments?

I know that he grew to regret those sorts of comments, but it was kind of amazing.

[chap22]

I don't understand Christian conservatives in America.

"Look at this beautiful field the God created - full of wildflowers, trees, a stream - all His work and design. Get the bulldozer and level this shit out, we need a new Cracker Barrell."

+2 reputation points.

[Rockman]

In the story the Once-ler builds a small shop and cuts down one tree at a time. The trees are a special kind of tree that don't grow anywhere else, and there's also a bunch of indigenous animals unique to the area. The Lorax speaks for the trees and the animals.

As the story goes along, his factory keeps getting bigger and bigger, and he starts building bigger and bigger machines to cut down trees faster and more at a time. The loss of trees makes one kind of animal leave, dumping pollution in the water hurts the fish, and the smog starts hurting the birds.

In the end he expands so much that he chops down the whole forest, displaces all the animals, and kills off all the special trees.

The theme of the book isn't that driving your car is a terrible thing or how every little thing is inherently bad, it's about how corporate greed has been hurting the environment and how people need to protect nature instead of recklessly and selfishly abusing it for their financial gain.

So basically, you are right.

The lorax flips out when he chops down one tree. To him there is no such thing as acceptable moderation in terms of using the enviroment to better our lives.

Of course Once-ler doesn't believe it either, and that's why things get the way they do.

It's a fact that places like Lake Eerie have been rendered toxic in the past because of pollution, there is no denying to that. But the story presents an all or nothing approach, and ignores industries (like logging ironically) which take great measures to restore the enviroments they use.

[Lord Ice]

I'm tired of singers trying to be actors. Taylor Swift go away!