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George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:17 am

Chessack wrote:
Except.

The standard way to "break into" the comic-book industry for YEARS has been to write an "inventory story" about an established, long-running character like Captain America or Supergirl, and send it to the editor of that book. An"inventory story" is a pre-written script that the editor keeps in his filing cabinet (or nowadays on his hard drive) for emergencies. When Rick Remender can't make his Cap deadline, the editor reaches into his file and looks over the list of a half-dozen or so inventory stories. These are one-shots that are not heavily continuity-based, so they can be run "any time." The editor selects one and then hires an artist to draw it (or perhaps has the regular-series artist do it). The writer is then paid for the work.

Significantly, the unsolicited inventory story was not written with permission. It was written, most of the time, by a fan. That fan is writing, by your definition, fan-fic, because he did not have permission to actually write the thing before he wrote it. AFTER having written his fan-fic Cap story, and being told by his friends/family it was good, he submitted it to the Cap editor. Later, the editor chose to publish it. Thus this item which by your definition started out as fan-fic, became part of the canon.

So, they're not as distinct as you are making them out to be.


I don't think that's happened in at least a decade.
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby HNutz » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:15 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:My response to him -

Explain Wildcards. Seriously, explain it within this context. Also, explain how you never once, not once, used other characters or concepts to form a story. Do it. Come on. Lets see if you can accomplish this.


What's this, now?

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby MikeinLA » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:07 am

HNutz wrote:
What's this, now?


Wildcards was an anthology series Martin was involved in back in the 1980s in which multiple authors would tell stories in the same universe and use each others' characters and concepts. I guess the point is that since Martin did this, he's a hypocrite for saying writers should use their own creations in their work

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby Punchy » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:33 am

GRRM is right.

Fan fic is stupid, almost as pathetic as cosplay.

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby outsider » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:34 am

MikeinLA wrote:
Wildcards was an anthology series Martin was involved in back in the 1980s in which multiple authors would tell stories in the same universe and use each others' characters and concepts. I guess the point is that since Martin did this, he's a hypocrite for saying writers should use their own creations in their work
Was that anthology series under the tutelage of an editor or common creative consultant?
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby Arion » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:36 pm

Herald wrote:
And yet, you and others here read fanfic all the time; that's what current DC and Marvel comics are.

"You could say that any Batman fan writing a Batman comic is writing fan fiction."
—Neil Gaiman


I don't think DC would be happy to hear that...

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:55 pm

MikeinLA wrote:
Wildcards was an anthology series Martin was involved in back in the 1980s in which multiple authors would tell stories in the same universe and use each others' characters and concepts. I guess the point is that since Martin did this, he's a hypocrite for saying writers should use their own creations in their work


BING-O!

My general rule of thumb - It's only fanfic if it's crap.
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby GHERU » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:56 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
BING-O!

My general rule of thumb - It's only fanfic if it's crap.

seriously, I can't trust anyone who doesn't hold on to the exact same beliefs they had over 30 years ago!
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby Lord Ice » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:12 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
BING-O!

My general rule of thumb - It's only fanfic if it's crap.


Thank how it is with 50 Shades, fanfic crap inspired by original crap. :-D
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:13 pm

GHERU wrote:seriously, I can't trust anyone who doesn't hold on to the exact same beliefs they had over 30 years ago!


I can't recall all my beliefs from 30 years ago. :oops:
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby MikeinLA » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:17 pm

outsider wrote:Was that anthology series under the tutelage of an editor or common creative consultant?



If memory serves Martin himself was the "editor" of the series, or at least he was of the volumes I bought.

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:30 pm

MikeinLA wrote:

If memory serves Martin himself was the "editor" of the series, or at least he was of the volumes I bought.


He was as well as behind the concept and wrote one or more stories.

It was all still a fanfic on super-heroes and villains.
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
"Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"
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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby Punchy » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:42 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
He was as well as behind the concept and wrote one or more stories.

It was all still a fanfic on super-heroes and villains.


Except they were all original creations.

Fan-fic is writing established characters when you have no right to.

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby Chessack » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:04 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:I don't think that's happened in at least a decade.


True enough.

In fact a quick perusal of DC's online materials does not present one with any possible mechanism -- none whatsoever -- by which one could be considered for hiring as a new writer by the company. They have a mechanism for artists of all stripes (pencilers, colorists, etc), but not writers. In fact they don't just omit the means of getting a writing sample considered, they state outright that under no circumstances will they ever consider a writing sample from anyone, anywhere, under any circumstances. One wonders how the hell DC ever finds new writing talent. (And maybe this is why so much of their current writing talent, to put it bluntly, sucks.)

I'm glad I don't still harbor the desire to write comics as I once did. I have no idea how anyone would ever make that dream a reality anymore... unless one goes into self-publishing or something.

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Re: George R.R. Martin Hates Your Fan-Fic

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:13 pm

Punchy wrote:
Except they were all original creations.

Fan-fic is writing established characters when you have no right to.


A number of them were not very original. The concepts were not original but based on existing ones.
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? They're scientific instruments, not water pistols."
"Oh, the pointing again! They're screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
"Are you capable of speaking without flapping your hands about?"
""Timey" what? "Timey wimey"?"

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