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How will Margaret Thatcher be remembered?

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nietoperz

The Goddamn Bat-min

Postby nietoperz » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:05 pm

Drcharles wrote:

Well of course the word Great was used to tell the whole fucking World that Britain and the British Empire was just that....................


No it wasn't. It was actually a geographical term first used in Anglo-Saxon times to differentiate the mainland from smaller bodies such as the Channel Islands. 'Great Britain' refers to England, Scotland and Wales - not, crucially, Northern Ireland - because that is specifically the mainland. The country is called the United Kingdom.

Just a bit of geopolitical history for you. Don't mind me.
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Drcharles

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Postby Drcharles » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:10 pm

David Bird wrote:I am surprised that the first place I've found people actually talking about her and her legacy is the Outhouse.

How will she be remembered? Hard to say. She's hated by many (most?) who actually know what her policies were,


I remember what my Mom and many other moms were saying at the time when Mrs Thatcher was challenging the opposition for the 79 election and the problems the Lib-Lab Government were in at the time.

She can’t do no worse then a Man, and that’s what people around my area were thinking, I was too young to vote then and we (Myself, Mom and Nan) were what you may called poverty-stricken but we all voted for the Conservatives rather then the Socialists and their policies, and continued to do so throughout Mrs Thatcher’s reign……..
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Keb

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Postby Keb » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:14 pm

My mom told me that she and the political situation in England were part of the reason why my family left in 1981. So really, it's her fault that I don't have an English accent.

Although she spared me from growing up in Coventry :)
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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:21 pm

Reagan was so horrible and Thatcher was also so horrible.

Talking heads and pinheads might try to program you with alt-history memory implants, but both were shit-stains. Fuck the white-washing of the Nixons and Reagans of the world.

I'd give her corpse a good kick if I could.
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nietoperz

The Goddamn Bat-min

Postby nietoperz » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:21 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Reagan was so horrible and Thatcher was also so horrible.

Talking heads and pinheads might try to program you with alt-history memory implants, but both were shit-stains. Fuck the white-washing of the Nixons and Reagans of the world.


Every word of this.
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David Bird

rubber spoon

Postby David Bird » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:22 pm

nietoperz wrote:
No it wasn't. It was actually a geographical term first used in Anglo-Saxon times to differentiate the mainland from smaller bodies such as the Channel Islands. 'Great Britain' refers to England, Scotland and Wales - not, crucially, Northern Ireland - because that is specifically the mainland. The country is called the United Kingdom.

Just a bit of geopolitical history for you. Don't mind me.


Actually the country is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which sort of reflects the point you're making.
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dairydead

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Postby dairydead » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:25 pm

where's sdschero to bitch at you guys for "speaking ill of the dead"?
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David Bird

rubber spoon

Postby David Bird » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:26 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Reagan was so horrible and Thatcher was also so horrible.

Talking heads and pinheads might try to program you with alt-history memory implants, but both were shit-stains. Fuck the white-washing of the Nixons and Reagans of the world.

I'd give her corpse a good kick if I could.


The American alt-historians have pretty much succeeded. The general consensus is that he was a great president, reality can go take a hike.
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nietoperz

The Goddamn Bat-min

Postby nietoperz » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:27 pm

I was just about to go back and edit the post to say precisely that. Either way, it has nothing to do with the Empire or how 'great' it, or we were, though it always makes me laugh when pseudo-patriots with a poor grasp of history or language make that assertion.
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dairydead

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

Postby dairydead » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:27 pm

David Bird wrote:
The American alt-historians have pretty much succeeded. The general consensus is that he was a great president, reality can go take a hike.


I know plenty of people who like Reagan. Not because they were told by some "alt-historian" either.
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nietoperz

The Goddamn Bat-min

Postby nietoperz » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:29 pm

David Bird wrote:
The American alt-historians have pretty much succeeded. The general consensus is that he was a great president, reality can go take a hike.


Well give the Tories a chance: the old battleaxe only just kicked the bucket. I'm sure that by this time next week Cameron and his cronies will have had her canonised in the conservative press and will be trying to bask in reflected glory.
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David Bird

rubber spoon

Postby David Bird » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:31 pm

dairydead wrote:
I know plenty of people who like Reagan. Not because they were told by some "alt-historian" either.


He was a likeable guy, but he was not a great president.
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dairydead

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

Postby dairydead » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:37 pm

David Bird wrote:
He was a likeable guy, but he was not a great president.


That's what I'm talking about. They view him as a good president. One of those people off the top of my head is an actual American historian.
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dairydead

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

Postby dairydead » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:40 pm

I just find this completely insane that you supposed "progressives" are resorting to calling a dead woman a "cunt" because she was conservative. :lol: way to take the high road.
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Tintin Quarantino

Rain Partier

Postby Tintin Quarantino » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:41 pm

LOL at the phrase "actual historian".

You're too young for your opinion to count, Dairy, but quite I'm sure you do have friends who'd have fallen for that one.

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