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Joe Horn; self defense?

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Postby Spidey-Man » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:58 pm

jza1218 wrote:And? The defendant in this case felt that he was threatened. Living in a high crime area like Houston can do that...


He was in his home. Not threatened. He shot 1 guy who was running away, not threatened.

Goetz claimed they brandished screwdrivers IIRC.

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Postby lancer_man » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:58 pm

CountD wrote:I now crave Chic-fil-A . weird how that works.


Yeah. I want to shoot someone in the back now.

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Postby Thunderstorm » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:58 pm

CountD wrote:TExas thinks they are their own country. So I guess they're making up their own laws now.


I guess so. I still hate it here, but I live here.

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Postby jza1218 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:59 pm

Spiderrob wrote:He was indicted.

He just was acquitted of the worse crimes.

Somehow I feel you have more assets, though, for the civil suit than Goetz did.

and crimes low now. People's attitudes are different.


And civil law is totally different than criminal law. It doesnt matter what a civil court told him.

And crimes not low in Houston where this crime took place

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Postby CountD » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:59 pm

jza1218 wrote:Prove that he wouldn't get away with it in other states. We've already shown that NY didnt with Bernie Goetz.

So you basically have just stated something without any precedent to back it up


Goetz was one case.

You're gong to the well alot using that one.

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Postby jza1218 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm

Spiderrob wrote:He was in his home. Not threatened. He shot 1 guy who was running away, not threatened.


And he was free to go outside and once he did he felt threatened. Stand Your Ground Law states he's legally in the right to do so. You keep bringing that up like it makes a difference that he left his home

Goetz claimed they brandished screwdrivers IIRC.


Wrong. He never claimed anything of the sort. He admitted he didnt think they were armed

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Postby MoneyMelon » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm

Spiderrob wrote:He was indicted.

He just was acquitted of the worse crimes.

Somehow I feel you have more assets, though, for the civil suit than Goetz did.

and crimes low now. People's attitudes are different.


But the law doesn't say they have to be armed.

The New York State legal standard for the self defense justification use of deadly force shifted after rulings in the case. New York jurors are now told to consider a defendant's background and to consider whether a reasonable person would feel imperiled if that reasonable person was the defendant.


So, if in fact I'm outnumbered and being threatened, I can shoot the motherfuckers.
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Postby chap22 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm

jza1218 wrote:And getting pwned at it.

You should really consider changing professions. Maybe something more your speed like the counter at Chick Fil-A

i'm sorry, where did i get "pwned"? you brought up one case that uses the same standard i gave you earlier -- an objectively reasonable person standard. you're just using your views and beliefs to determine what is objectively reasonable to this particular instance differently than i am. which is why, as i said before, the objectively reasonable person is nothing more than a legal fiction.
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Postby CountD » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm

lancer_man wrote:Yeah. I want to shoot someone in the back now.


as long as you're a TExan (no matter where you are) it's alright.

Or you'd think it would e with the way some are arguing the validity of shooting someone in the back when their life's not in danger.

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Postby jza1218 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm

CountD wrote:Goetz was one case.

You're gong to the well alot using that one.


And Joe Horn is another. Now state your own evidence that leads you to believe otherwise. You're the one making statements that he'd be in jail elsewhere

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Postby AaronW » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:01 pm

CountD wrote:TExas thinks they are their own country. So I guess they're making up their own laws now.


Which is the way it should be. State Law enforcement is NOT a Federal matter.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:01 pm

MoneyMelon wrote:So, if in fact I'm outnumbered and being threatened, I can shoot the motherfuckers.


Pfft. With your white bread background? Please.

heck, this thread will be evidence against you.

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Postby Thunderstorm » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:01 pm

jza1218 wrote:And crimes not low in Houston where this crime took place


See, that's my thing with this. Houston is HORRIBLE. If I was an old man living there, I'd be scared to death if I saw someone breaking into the house next door. Someone will probably kill him now though anyway, just to prove a point.

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Postby jza1218 » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:01 pm

chap22 wrote:i'm sorry, where did i get "pwned"? you brought up one case that uses the same standard i gave you earlier -- an objectively reasonable person standard. you're just using your views and beliefs to determine what is objectively reasonable to this particular instance differently than i am. which is why, as i said before, the objectively reasonable person is nothing more than a legal fiction.


You must be really peeved that McDonald's is trying to steal Chick Fil-A's thunder with their Southern Style Chicken sandwich

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Postby CountD » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:01 pm

jza1218 wrote:And Joe Horn is another. Now state your own evidence that leads you to believe otherwise.


I will leave tat to the lawyers.

or if I have time tomorrow.

It's just basic common sense, really. I don't think too many people have been in life/or death situations so they dont' really know. YO uknow?

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