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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby Draco x » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:16 pm

chap22 wrote:I tend to believe that people who say this are either (a) Morrison slurpers, (b) didn't actually pay attention while reading Morrison's JLA, or (c) both. Read his appearances again...he was a non-compelling total jobber under Morrison too. For all the "badassery" he allegedly had, he got beat Once by a kick in the nuts from Catwoman, and once by Batman sticking a CD of Stephen Hawking Plays the Pan Flute in his special ed short-bus headgear.

Total. Fucking. Jobber.


First off, all villains no matter how badass or not they are usually end up losing to heroes, so Prometheus getting getting knocked by Catwoman in the balls and then getting tricked by Batman is non-relevant. I mean look how many times the Joker gets his ass handed to him by Batman and co. That doesn't change the fact that he's still one of Batman's best villains. The fact that he took down the Justice League single handedly is nothing to sneeze at.
Besides a lot of the losses Prometheus went through after Morrisson wrote him was really his teenage sidekick Chad Graham who was impersonating him for awhile-Although that was one of the dumbest retcons ever in all fairness.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby habitual » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:26 pm

Prometheus was one of the best parts of Morrison's JLA run.

Chap is wrong, not a shocker.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby Draco x » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:49 pm

habitual wrote:Prometheus was one of the best parts of Morrison's JLA run.

Chap is wrong, not a shocker.

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Prometheus to me is what Bane was when he started out: a badass anti-Batman villain who fucked things up for everyone and then got ruined by awful writing. The issue is that characters themselves aren't the problem is just that the writers don't get the characters and as a result they end up becoming run of the mill loser villains.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby chap22 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:51 pm

draco x wrote:
First off, all villains no matter how badass or not they are usually end up losing to heroes, so Prometheus getting getting knocked by Catwoman in the balls and then getting tricked by Batman is non-relevant. I mean look how many times the Joker gets his ass handed to him by Batman and co. That doesn't change the fact that he's still one of Batman's best villains. The fact that he took down the Justice League single handedly is nothing to sneeze at.
Besides a lot of the losses Prometheus went through after Morrisson wrote him was really his teenage sidekick Chad Graham who was impersonating him for awhile-Although that was one of the dumbest retcons ever in all fairness.


there's a difference in losing and jobbing, and that's especially evident when the character, like Prometheus, is one who is all flash, no substance.

there was absolutely NOTHING to the character except a "kewl" costume, one quick "let me get this guy over by showing him outsmart the whole JL" moment, which was then immediately followed by him getting beat by a bullwhip to the junk from freaking Catwoman. Cat. Woman.

there was no depth to his character, no real plot or plan of any sort to speak of on his part beyond "embarrass the Justice League", no character motivation...nothing. Miorrison's Kool-Aid Brigade just jumped on him immediately as "OMG WOWZERS this guy is the greatest creation ever b/c G-Moz is so rad!!!!!!!!" but in the end, the super-villain had no clothes, and was there solely to look kewl in one issue only to job out in the very next.

at least characters like the Joker, Lex, Two-Face, etc have some hook to them, something in their character beyond powers or a suit, that makes them interesting. they may lose, but they're still interesting to read about, and have staying power beyond one or two appearances. Prometheus has none of that, and never did. he's a classic 90s "all attitude, no dimension" cipher of a jobber.
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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby Jack Burton » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:57 pm

Prometheus kinda sucked. The best thing he ever did was get punched in the face by Batman after he got Hawkined.

The best villains in Morrison's JLA was Darkseid and the Hyperclan.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby chap22 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:59 pm

habitual wrote:Prometheus was one of the best parts of Morrison's JLA run.

Chap is wrong, not a shocker.

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not even close. :lol: :lol:

pretty much everything in the white Martians arc
Tomorrow Woman
Connor using the boxing glove arrow
Lex trying to "corporate takeover" the League
Batman showing Lex how it's actually done
Batman-as-Desaad
Connor and Atom killing Darkseid
Superman fighting an angel
Superman Blue actually being cool
the JSA team-up
Eiling as the Shaggy Man/the General
all the Kyle/Wally interactions


hell, even Zauriel was cooler than Prometheus
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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby Mr. Log » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:09 pm

Jack Burton wrote:Prometheus kinda sucked. The best thing he ever did was get punched in the face by Batman after he got Hawkined.

The best villains in Morrison's JLA was Darkseid and the Hyperclan.


I'd listen to that band.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby Jack Burton » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:22 pm

Log-Man wrote:
I'd listen to that band.


:lol:

It does sound awesome doesn't it?

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby habitual » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:28 pm

chap22 wrote:not even close. :lol: :lol:

pretty much everything in the white Martians arc
Tomorrow Woman
Connor using the boxing glove arrow
Lex trying to "corporate takeover" the League
Batman showing Lex how it's actually done
Batman-as-Desaad
Connor and Atom killing Darkseid
Superman fighting an angel
Superman Blue actually being cool
the JSA team-up
Eiling as the Shaggy Man/the General
all the Kyle/Wally interactions


hell, even Zauriel was cooler than Prometheus


This is wrong, all of it.

Cap knocking Supes out is number one.

Prometheus is a close second.

I definitely don't think that he should be used as the villian in a JLA movie, neither should Darkseid really.

Legion of Doom would be a much better idea, most of the villians are more identifiable to non-comic fans.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby Jack Burton » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:45 pm

You have to look at it this way.

If you had the Legion of Doom you'd have to cast another 6-9 people besides the JLA's big seven.

You want to care about your villain. They need to be interesting if nothing else. That's already going be an issue with the League. In a 2 or 2.5 hour movie with a cast of 14 you're going to shoot yourself in the foot trying to give each League member an arc and try and flesh out the bad guys.

If you have one major bad guy it's easier. Now myself I'd have used Despero but I like the classics. While Darkseid's my 2nd favorite DC villain I prefer him as a New Gods only guy.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby syxxpakk » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:15 pm

draco x wrote:
As I was saying earlier, Morrisson created the character to be another evil version of Batman mixed with Taskmaster. The problem is only Morrisson could write Prometheus in a compelling way unlike the other writers who made him suck.


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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby chap22 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:16 pm

habitual wrote:
This is wrong, all of it.

Cap knocking Supes out is number one.

Prometheus is a close second.

I definitely don't think that he should be used as the villian in a JLA movie, neither should Darkseid really.

Legion of Doom would be a much better idea, most of the villians are more identifiable to non-comic fans.

Hab

Prometheus is the 2nd coolest thing in Morrison's run... :lol: :lol: :lol:

clearly that's the hippie lettuce talking. i'm amazed your brain can function on even an involuntary level anymore. you're lucky your body remembers how to breathe.
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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby habitual » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:39 pm

chap22 wrote:Prometheus is the 2nd coolest thing in Morrison's run... :lol: :lol: :lol:

clearly that's the hippie lettuce talking. i'm amazed your brain can function on even an involuntary level anymore. you're lucky your body remembers how to breathe.


I'll take my hippie lettuce logic over your sister-cousin linear genealogy logic any day of the week you hillbilly. :-D

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby habitual » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:48 pm

Jack Burton wrote:You have to look at it this way.

If you had the Legion of Doom you'd have to cast another 6-9 people besides the JLA's big seven.

You want to care about your villain. They need to be interesting if nothing else. That's already going be an issue with the League. In a 2 or 2.5 hour movie with a cast of 14 you're going to shoot yourself in the foot trying to give each League member an arc and try and flesh out the bad guys.

If you have one major bad guy it's easier. Now myself I'd have used Despero but I like the classics. While Darkseid's my 2nd favorite DC villain I prefer him as a New Gods only guy.


You'd also have a reason to make several more movies and do a gradual build up as opposed to trying to cram it all into one movie.

I don't see how it could work and still be good at the same time.

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Re: Justice League Movie Villain Revealed

Postby superfictious » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:20 pm

Making the inevitable comparisons:

if Loki could be the main villain in Avengers, then any decent villain should be good enough for a JL movie. If you're going by the Avengers formula, make the bad guys plan completely secondary to your heroes interactions

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