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by **Doc Jon** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:56 pm

Holland Oats wrote:What does little kids not reading the comics these are based on have to do with them enjoying the movie or characters?

These are no longer just comic properties. Most little kids have probably grown up on cartoons with these characters, and the previous movies..

Dude, you are in serious defensive mode about a movie you have yet to see. Go watch it first. :-D

by **Doc Jon** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:56 pm

sdsichero wrote:
What about the "horse faced" aliens?

Touche.

by **Doc Jon** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:59 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:WhIle the film had large chunks of fanservice, the packed theater I was in loved it despite most of them not being comic fans. It was the mix of the over the top comic sensibilities and enough humor infused in there that seemed to sell them on it through the awkward moments of the minimal plot until the final battle that personally delivered for me despite the awkward movements of the aliens.

Regardless of clearly catering to comic fans, this will definitely be a monster smash with repeat value for anyone from fanboys to action movie fans to people who want to see a fun movie to little kids who practically teemed over the characters despite me being 99.99999999999999999% sure they don't read the comics these characters are based on.

I'd have personally given it a 7.5-7.9 though (just shy of . Not perfect or deep by any means but definitely the most fun comic book movie I've watched.

Like I said, it would be about a 7.5 for fanboys just for the sheer love of the material.

I think from an honest critical standpoint of a movie, it's simply decent. Let's say this was a foreign film of a franchise you knew nothing about and therefore all the little in-jokes meant nothing to you. It's a fun, popcorn movie.

by **fieldy snuts** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:25 am

Doc Jon wrote:
Like I said, it would be about a 7.5 for fanboys just for the sheer love of the material.

I think from an honest critical standpoint of a movie, it's simply decent. Let's say this was a foreign film of a franchise you knew nothing about and therefore all the little in-jokes meant nothing to you. It's a fun, popcorn movie.

Not really, the humor was accessible to any western audience without having to require knowledge of the source material. Like Loki's "I am a god" line for example

by **Doc Jon** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 am

fieldy snuts wrote:
Not really, the humor was accessible to any western audience without having to require knowledge of the source material. Like Loki's "I am a god" line for example

There are a lot of references people won't get. Trust me, I was in a theater of families and people seemed to miss a lot. There are the obvious jokes that got a reaction, and the HUlk at the end was brilliant.

The movie is both very accessible in its simplicity, but also extremely fanboyish. There's a lot there that rewards long time fans that would mean nothing to the mainstream audience.

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No one in my theater understood or even knew the character in the post-credits scene. I could hear them talking about it and trying to figure it out, but they didn't know. Yet, that may be the greatest moment in the film for many fans.

by **fieldy snuts** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:36 am

Doc Jon wrote:
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No one in my theater understood or even knew the character in the post-credits scene. I could hear them talking about it and trying to figure it out, but they didn't know. Yet, that may be the greatest moment in the film for many fans.

I almost fell out of my chair by how instantly recognizable he was. Even the smile looked like it was ripped out of the comics.

by **Doc Jon** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:41 am

fieldy snuts wrote:
I almost fell out of my chair by how instantly recognizable he was. Even the smile looked like it was ripped out of the comics.

Agreed. But many people won't know who it is.

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:37 am

Doc Jon wrote:
Dude, you are in serious defensive mode about a movie you have yet to see. Go watch it first.

Not defensive, just debating. His point about little kids didn't make much sense. He said the little kids were teeming over it, despite him being sure they don't read the comics. And then followed it up with that he didn't know if they could cope with it. It's either one or the other. What does it matter if there's fanservice in the movie, but people don't read the comics if just two sentences prior he said he's sure it will do monster numbers and repeat viewings and everyone loved it?

I was only defensive of it in regards to your own views on it, because you're so wrong 90% of the time on movies, and because virtually every other review I've read has basically been glowing.

by **Doc Jon** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:03 pm

Holland Oats wrote:
Not defensive, just debating. His point about little kids didn't make much sense. He said the little kids were teeming over it, despite him being sure they don't read the comics. And then followed it up with that he didn't know if they could cope with it. It's either one or the other. What does it matter if there's fanservice in the movie, but people don't read the comics if just two sentences prior he said he's sure it will do monster numbers and repeat viewings and everyone loved it?

I was only defensive of it in regards to your own views on it, because you're so wrong 90% of the time on movies, and because virtually every other review I've read has basically been glowing.

My review on the movie was glowing. I've said there's a lot to love about it, and I'm sure there's plenty you'll like. It doesn't mean it was a very good MOVIE. I'm comparing it to other movies out there, to the Full Metal Jackets, and Titanics, and so on, not just other comic book movies.

And the movie is both accessible and yet tough to get into. It's accessible because the plot is something a 4 year old can follow. But the players are a bit tough to access if you're not familiar with the previous films. We're not really given backstory on Loki and Thor and what happened. Whedon just jumps into it and their conversation is not something that people who did not watch the Thor movie will get. So it is a bit of a mixed bag.

I know Whedon cut out like 40 minutes of this film and I will have to assume that had something to do with the movie feeling more like a series of events rather than a cohesive whole.

And since you're such the expert, I'd really like to know how I'm so off on movies. An example or two would be nice.

by **Punchy** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:54 pm

Just back from it.

Best comic book movie ever. It blew my mind. Full review sometime later, maybe front-page, maybe just on here.

Dark Knight Rises and Amazing Spider-Man have a lot to live up to!

by **sdsichero** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:16 pm

Doc Jon wrote:
Agreed. But many people won't know who it is.

I think the post-credits scenes are more for the fans.

Though a lot more recognizable, I don't know if any "normal" person would know Nick Fury or the Avengers.

Not sure if those not in the know would know what Thor's hammer was.

I think a lot of people had no clue about the Cosmic Cube, but at least Loki was recognizable.

All of those are probably more recognizable than Thanos, but I think they are really more for the fans. Norms don't usually stay for the credits anyway.

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:35 pm

Doc Jon wrote:And since you're such the expert, I'd really like to know how I'm so off on movies. An example or two would be nice.

Hunger Games was better than Battle Royale
Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol sucking.
Captain America being only half a good movie.
The Rise of the Planet of the Apes
"Constantine is one of the best comic book movies ever"

I could go on if you want.

by **PDH** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:18 pm

Given that I prefer Iron Man to TDK and that this seems a bit like Iron Man cubed, I fully expect to love this movie.

by **IvCNuB4** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:26 pm

LOLtron wrote: It's that moment when all seems lost, right before the good guys find a way to win. It's Han Solo coming back and making sure Luke is clear for the final shot in A New Hope, or Tom Hanks firing a pistol at a tank in Saving Private Ryan.

Score: 6.5 out of 10 Blud Bloods.

Written or Contributed by: Doc Jon

So Natasha loading a clip into her pistol doesn't save the day against the alien invaders ?

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:48 pm

Thought I'd add in a little Q & A now I've seen the movie

How good are the special effects

Absolutely stunning. Very impressed with them throughout

Are there any references to any classic Avengers?
To be honest, I was surprised at how little Easter Eggs there were in this. I suppose a lot of the "classic" Avengers are tied up in other properties. Characters like Daredevil,Spider-man and Sentry are probably all owned by other companies, so you don't get much reference to them

Who has the best part?
Hulk definitely steals the latter part of the movie, but Iron Man, Cap and Thor all have their great moments. Some of the dialogue is hilarious. It's awesome seeing big fights with these larger than life characters, and they all got a chance to shine, I was very impressed with the films handling of Cap, he comes across as a hero.

I think Hawkeye and Black Widow had a bit of dialogue as well.

Is Maria Hill in it much?!?!?!?
Ah of course the biggie, the fan outrage over the lack of Maria Hill in the trailers are not justified IMO. A good case can be made for her being on screen more than Hawkeye (especially till the final quarter of the film). She's pretty kick ass. The Great one would be proud.

[i]Much space stuff?[/i]
Thankfully not much at all.