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by **habitual** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:01 pm

Rockman wrote:
This also isn't true, the supreme court just passed a law saying that relgious organizations get certain exemptions in hirings and firings.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/20 ... ous-groups

This is people ministering for a church, not a church running a business.

Entirely different, and I agree with that ruling.

Hab

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:02 pm

Simply put, if people don't like the healthcare plan at their job they can either

a) get a new job with a better plan

b) buy healthcare independent of their job.

The government sticking their nose into it yet again to try and make things "equal" just pisses everyone off.

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:02 pm

habitual wrote:
This is people ministering for a church, not a church running a business.

Entirely different, and I agree with that ruling.

Hab

I believe that rulilng applies to the business side of Churchs too. Like if they decided to fire their secretary.

by **habitual** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:03 pm

dairydead wrote:
whats this "difference" you keep talking about?

Treating women's healthcare issues "differently" than men.

Pretty straight forward.

Hab

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:04 pm

Rockman wrote:
Solyndra 535 million
Ener1 118 million
Evergreen Solar 5.3 million
SpectraWatt 0.5 million
Mountain Plaze in 0.464 million
Olsen mills 10 million

So for those I've found 669.264 million dollars

So yes the companies I could find that recieved stimulus money (totaling 6 right now) don't in fact exceed 1 billion my bad. But I don't think we can say that that money was money well spent.

Oh and Fisker automotive recieved a 526 million dollar loan from the department of energy and then took the money and invested it in Finland. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-compa ... ePage=true

I know we're supposed to look at the stimulus as a 800 billion dollars and this stuff is chump change compared to that. But I for one cannot be okay with our government wasting over a billion dollars (between the stimulus and the loan) and have nothing to show for it except jobs overseas and bankruptcy.

I'm not arguing the rest of it. I just knew that it didn't even reach $1 billion.

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:05 pm

well they are different, and in many cases more costly.

It's much cheaper to tie the tubes of a man than a woman for example.

I'd think it would be pretty normal for the healthcare of the average woman to higher than the healthcare of the average man.

by **dairydead** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:05 pm

habitual wrote:
Treating women's healthcare issues "differently" than men.

Pretty straight forward.

Hab

Thats not what i was asking.

by **habitual** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:05 pm

Rockman wrote:
I believe that rulilng applies to the business side of Churchs too. Like if they decided to fire their secretary.

Which is still different than running a business.

Hab

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:06 pm

The President wrote:
I'm not arguing the rest of it. I just knew that it didn't even reach $1 billion.

I thought ener1 was a larger amount of money.

But that was specifically green stuff, I wonder if there were other businesses that had filed and we just didn't hear about it.

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:06 pm

habitual wrote:
Which is still different than running a business.

Hab

I don't see how, both answer the phones and take care of specific administrative needs around their offices.

by **habitual** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:07 pm

dairydead wrote:
Thats not what i was asking.

Then elaborate and clarify.

You asked I answered.

Hab

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:10 pm

If I'm a nurse at a catholic hospital I know what kind of healthcare they'll provide. I have the choice of working there, no one is forcing me to. And if I continue to work their then obviously I'm okay with the pay and benefits otherwise I'd look and hopefully find another job.

Then Big Brother Barry comes along and tells this business "nope, this benefit which you disclosed to them when they are hired in isn't fair, I'm going to force you to change it" which will only force them to eliminate the benefit altogether.

Didn't he sign an exemption because this was so controversial and stupid anyways? or was that shot down?

by **habitual** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Rockman wrote:
I don't see how, both answer the phones and take care of specific administrative needs around their offices.

Religious groups have a tax exempt status. Religious groups that start either profit or non-profit businesses do not. Two entirely different things.

Hab

by **habitual** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:13 pm

Rockman wrote:If I'm a nurse at a catholic hospital I know what kind of healthcare they'll provide. I have the choice of working there, no one is forcing me to. And if I continue to work their then obviously I'm okay with the pay and benefits otherwise I'd look and hopefully find another job.

Then Big Brother Barry comes along and tells this business "nope, this benefit which you disclosed to them when they are hired in isn't fair, I'm going to force you to change it" which will only force them to eliminate the benefit altogether.

Didn't he sign an exemption because this was so controversial and stupid anyways? or was that shot down?

No the insurance companies are paying for it.

My ex is also a nurse at a non-catholic hospital and took contraception to avoid surgery at her Doctor's recommendation.

Hab

by **Rockman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:13 pm

habitual wrote:
Religious groups have a tax exempt status. Religious groups that start either profit or non-profit businesses do not. Two entirely different things.

Hab

So what? A non profit charity doesn't have the same exemptions.