Keb wrote:You're joking, right? It's not just slavery. It's decades of treatment as second class and less than that are what's creating the issue here. It's not like Lincoln freed the slaves and they all became powerful CEOs and went to college. The point Jude is making is that black people have had to prove themselves over and over and over (and still are to this day in this very fucking thread). The issue is that when a black person tries to pull him or herself up, he or she has to try about 20 times harder because of all the factors that have been working against black people for years. Yet they still do. I mean, would a (half-)black guy be the President of the United States if they weren't trying?
Also, your point about Jewish people doesn't really make sense as Jews in North America have never been (to my knowledge) killed in mass numbers nor have they ever been enslaved in mass numbers, nor am I aware of any history of nation-wide laws that forbid them from basic civil rights.
Yes, Jews have faced persecution for years but isolated in North America, their story is much different from blacks. Yes, they've been victimized by racism as well, but a Jewish person can hide the fact that he's Jewish. A black person can't hide the fact that he's black.
Er, well, if you say so about the black persons having to work "twenty times harder", what with affirmative action running through all levels of society to ensure that they don't have to. No, they didn't become "all powerful CEOs." Which seems to be the complaint, that it didn't suddenly happen. You've got an attitude in some circles like that woman who was talking about how Obama would pay her gas and her mortgage from his "stash", whatever that was, (taxpayer money I suppose), while she does nothing to earn it.
There are those who work their butts off to get ahead and make no excuses---valid or not, and then there are those who don't want to do the work, and wail all day long about slavery and discrimination as an excuse to why they're not succeeding. Then there are some who try but fail, and fall back on those excuses.
Whites do it too. Though of course they use different excuses. I just don't think it's all that helpful in the long run in any case to act like that.
As for Jews, well, they're the last group remaining that it's still socially acceptable in many circles to discriminate against---yeah, here in North America too.
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