Doc Jon wrote:
Aliens was a far superior movie to this. And so were the Terminator movies. The Abyss DC is a better movie.
It's a simple concept, people. Avengers was a fun, popcorn movie, but it was no deeper than that. It didn't even have the heart of something like Superman or Hellboy 2. And if we're counting things like Road to Perdition, then Avengers goes even further down the list.
It doesn't mean it wasn't a very fun movie. I'd watch it again any day.
Again, it's fast becoming the fanboy version of Avatar that geeks need to defend to the death and make it somehow deeper than what it was, a superficial action film with some good humor. I love Whedon's work, and I'm happy that the success of this film will mean he gets to pick his projects. Maybe we can get someone other than Michael Bay on a god damn geek property. That would be awesome. But the film is just decent.
Originally, your argument was that our enjoyment of the film was clouding our enjoyment of the film. You were basically saying, 'yeah, well, if people didn't like it so much they'd see that it was just decent.' Since you've dropped this line of argument I'm going to assume that you now concede that the fact that people were incredibly hyped after seeing the film is, in fact, a point in its favour.
Your new argument seems to be that we are just pretending to have enjoyed it out of some kind of fanboy loyalty, even though the majority of people who have seen it are not fanboys and fanboys, if anything, are overly critical
and nitpicky of movies based on beloved properties from their childhood. This is an especially odd thing for you to say because the audience is many orders of magnitude larger than the comic book audience and most people praising it have never picked up an Avengers comic in their life. I've had to explain who the Avengers are to nearly everyone I know. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to say things like, 'no, Wonder Woman is from DC, the Avengers are Marvel.'
Of course, this reasoning works the other way around, as well. I could just as easily say that you are only playing down its obvious quality out of your weird, contrarian approach to movies. We could spend all day psycho-analysing each other's alleged hidden motives for liking or not liking something or we could accept the fact that large numbers of people claiming to really love a movie is something we are more likely to observe on the hypothesis that, you know, they actually do like it.
It was better than Superman and Hellboy 2. It had far more heart than either of those movies and was massively more enjoyable and more to the point it was superior in terms of things like characters, characterisation, acting, dialogue etc. Road to Perdition is not a Superhero movie but Avengers achieved what it set out to do to a better extent than Perdition did. Perdition tried to be a gangster film and did a great job but most of the best films in cinema belong to that genre so it had a lot to live up to. In the end it was overly sentimental and clearly not in the same league as, say, Goodfellas. The Avengers set out to be both a huge summer epic and a character piece. It aced both tests with flying colours. In that genre it stands alone. No other Superhero film is as epic as this one. No other Superhero film has as a better handle on its characters.
What makes it so great is that it works on the level of a blockbuster AND it holds up as compelling character-driven drama. It's everything you could want from this kind of movie.