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Separating art from artist

Postby Chesscub » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:32 am

Can you do that?

I was at a relatively new comic shop yesterday in Merrimack, NH. They had some sketches up on the wall for sale. I was looking at a couple of them that I liked. I generally can tell who it is from the style or the signature.

So I asked the guy who it was. It was Justiniano. My response "oh." His answer "That's what most people say when they hear that. That's why it's marked down so low"

I just couldn't bring myself to buy it knowing what he did.

Could you?

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby achilles » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:34 am

Chesscub wrote:Can you do that?

I was at a relatively new comic shop yesterday in Merrimack, NH. They had some sketches up on the wall for sale. I was looking at a couple of them that I liked. I generally can tell who it is from the style or the signature.

So I asked the guy who it was. It was Justiniano. My response "oh." His answer "That's what most people say when they hear that. That's why it's marked down so low"

I just couldn't bring myself to buy it knowing what he did.

Could you?


I can't say, since I have no idea who he is or what he did.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby BlueStreak » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:38 am

achilles wrote:
I can't say, since I have no idea who he is or what he did.


He's currently serving a 10 year prison sentence for child pornography possession.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Chesscub » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:38 am

achilles wrote:
I can't say, since I have no idea who he is or what he did.


Child porn.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/11/03/justiniano-sentenced-to-ten-years-on-child-pornography-charges/

It was a big story a couple of years ago.

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby BlueStreak » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:41 am

Back to the topic at hand:

As long as the artist isn't directly benefiting from the sale of art, I don't see anything "wrong" with purchasing the art if you really wanted to buy it.

Example: I don't like Orson Scott Card and don't want to see my money support his causes. I do however love Ender's Game. When I purchased my copy (or buy a copy for friends), I always buy it secondhand.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby outsider » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:42 am

Sure, I can. I do not agree with Orson Scott Card at all, but I thoroughly enjoy his books and I will be seeing Ender's Game.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:44 am

BlueStreak wrote:
As long as the artist is directly benefiting from the sale of art, I don't see anything "wrong" with purchasing the art if you really wanted to buy it.


Don't you mean "isn't directly benefiting", Bizarro BlueStreak? :?

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby BlueStreak » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:56 am

Victorian Squid wrote:
Don't you mean "isn't directly benefiting", Bizarro BlueStreak? :?


That is precisely what I said and you can't prove otherwise.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby achilles » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:58 am

BlueStreak wrote:
He's currently serving a 10 year prison sentence for child pornography possession.


Ooookay! :shock:

Damn! :smt013

I'd have to say no in that case. But in general it's a hard question, separating the artist from the art. I think it originally arose with Wagner. Undeniably brilliant, but then there's that awful bit. Can you separate him from his music? His former friend Nietzsche couldn't.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby nietoperz » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:00 am

I can't, I'm afraid. There's no chance, for instance, that I will ever see Ender's Game.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby syxxpakk » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:04 am

Nope. I won't buy anything that Byrne, Liefeld, Card, and now this Justiano guy are involved in.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby outsider » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:04 am

Chesscub wrote:Can you do that?

I was at a relatively new comic shop yesterday in Merrimack, NH. They had some sketches up on the wall for sale. I was looking at a couple of them that I liked. I generally can tell who it is from the style or the signature.

So I asked the guy who it was. It was Justiniano. My response "oh." His answer "That's what most people say when they hear that. That's why it's marked down so low"

I just couldn't bring myself to buy it knowing what he did.

Could you?
The money spent buying those sketches will never make it back to Justiniano. If you like the art produced, then you should buy it. Unless you plan on displaying those sketches in an exhibit titled "PLEASE LOOK AT MY ART AND SUPPORT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY", there is no direct connection between your enjoyment of the art produced and the artist's sick-fuckedness.
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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:07 am

I think there's a whole spectrum of reasons one might find purchase or ownership distasteful, though, and it's too diverse to simply say "yes" or "no".

Suppose an artist says something political I don't agree with on the internet: Not necessarily a problem.
Suppose an artist is convicted of abusing animals or children: Definitely a problem.

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby Jack Burton » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:08 am

I can sort of do it depending on the level of problems I have with the views I guess.

For example OSC? Screw him and all his projects.Dude is a flat out bigoted piece of garbage.

Guys like Chuck Dixon or Bill Willingham though I can deal with. We disagree on a lot of stuff but they haven't posted anything to my knowledge I find horribly offensive.

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Re: Separating art from artist

Postby nietoperz » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:12 am

Jack Burton wrote:I can sort of do it depending on the level of problems I have with the views I guess.

For example OSC? Screw him and all his projects.Dude is a flat out bigoted piece of garbage.

Guys like Chuck Dixon or Bill Willingham though I can deal with. We disagree on a lot of stuff but they haven't posted anything to my knowledge I find horribly offensive.


Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.
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