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Chessack

Great Scott!!!

Postby Chessack » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:41 pm

Bianco wrote:And I don't mind using the show to send out messages I mean they're not the first ones to do it by any means, but they send it like a tire iron upside the head.


The problem with having a "message," and especially with putting it first, is that often the necessities of the plot or characterization are not amenable to the message you want to tell.

Take the Season 2, Ep. 3 story with the President of the USA giving a speech about alien amnesty. At no point before this episode is there any evidence that the general public knows about any aliens other than Supergirl, Superman, and J'onn. The DEO is a black ops organization. Hank/J'onn states multiple times in season 1, starting in the 1st episode, that keeping the public in the dark regarding aliens is one of the DEO's main objectives. At no point in season 1 is the public made aware of the general existence of many aliens on earth.

Now, it can be assumed that after Myriad, the Fort Rozz info. probably broke into the public view in some way -- that there were other Kryptonians and they tried to mind control a whole city likely came to be known. However, at the end of Season 1 Supergirl threw those aliens into space on the Fort and they were gone. My guess is that was told to the public too, if the story broke. (But note, the story breaking was never shown on the show itself, so I am just assuming it happened).

But in Season 2, eps 1 and 2, no additional evidence of public knowledge of aliens is provided. The enemy in those episodes is Cadmus - an earth group. Then without transition, in S2E3, there is an alien bar, there are thousands of aliens on earth, their existence is public knowledge to the degree that the president is making speeches about them and Congress is debating legislation regarding them. All without ANY preamble, any setup, and without any regard to the fact that the existence of the bar, this many aliens, and public debate about them is 180 degree the opposite of everything that happened in season 1.

You might think the writers of the show might care about some kind of consistency here. If they wanted to do this story (properly), they should have started with aliens coming to earth bit by bit over the season. With the DEO being unable to keep this a secret. With the public divided on whether we want aliens on earth or not. And maybe by mid-season, do the story of the president trying to grant amnesty.

But instead, the writers decided it was more important to virtue signal their MESSAGE about refugees and immigration right now, today, this week, so they said "Fuck continuity, fuck the fact that this makes NO SENSE given the world we spent an entire year trying to establish, we need to get our message across."

This is why "messaging" as a priority leads to bad stories. Because it is almost impossible to arrange, without obvious contrivance and ignoring things like character consistency, a coherent and logical story around a pre-determined message.It almost always leads to forced plot points, plot holes, and logical inconsistencies. Which the writers don't care about because it's more important to them to get their MESSAGE out there.

So although I agree with you in the abstract that it's OK if they have a message, you need such finesse to pull off a purposeful message without making the story overly contrived and illogical, that these writers are not capable of doing it and they really shouldn't even try.
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Bianco

rubber spoon

Postby Bianco » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:42 pm

achilles wrote:
Use one to scare 'em, and the other to activate their chase instinct. Then you use the gerbil up the ass...oh, no sorry, that was another thread. :oops:



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achilles

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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:08 pm

Bianco wrote:

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On it!

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Bianco

rubber spoon

Postby Bianco » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:11 pm

The CW series Supergirl has cast Smallville alum Sam Witwer as Agent Liberty. From one Superman world to the next, Witwer becomes the latest to join the CW's ever-growing DC Universe. With a solid previous performance behind him, there's little doubt he's up for the challenge.

Witwer is no stranger to the Superman world, having played killing machine Doomsday on Smallville in season 8. A Jekyll and Hyde like villain, Doomsday faced off against Clark Kent, succumbing to the superhero after his split personalities were separated. Ironically, Witwer's previous credits also include a guest starring role on Once Upon a Time, where he played the real literary Jekyll and Hyde. His other roles include Star Wars: Rebels, Being Human and The Mist. While many of his acting credits may appear to be short guest stints, his time immersed in the Superman universe through Smallville makes him uniquely equipped to take on this latest character
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IvCNuB4

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Postby IvCNuB4 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:18 pm

Many of his acting credits may appear to be short guest stints? He was on "Being Human" for four years. :lol:
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HNutz

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Postby HNutz » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:26 pm

He also played StarKiller in The Force Unleashed.

Witwer was also the 2017 reigning Movie Trivia Schmoedown Star Wars Champion, a title he won from Ken Napzok in a 30-minute Iron Man Star Wars trivia match [1]; he was stripped of the title in June 2018 however as he was unable to defend it due to his upcoming work on the CW series Supergirl.


That kinda sucks...
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Zechs

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Postby Zechs » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:04 am

Um you're kind of forgetting another role of Witner's that he's basically owned for the past ten years and continues to reprise in Star Wars.



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IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:46 am

Both Agent Liberty's hit a rough patch at the end there.

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IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:53 pm

Deadline:
A new villain is rising in National City. Rhona Mitra has been tapped for a recurring role on the CW’s series Supergirl as Mercy Graves, Lex Luthor’s longtime bodyguard. Also cast in a recurring role on the DC series is Robert Baker, who will play Mercy’s brother, Otis Graves.

Based on the iconic DC character, Mercy Graves (Mitra) is an ex-CADMUS agent who has always believed in human exceptionalism. But with both Lex and Lillian in prison, Mercy is stepping out of the Luthor shadow and running her own show. With her biting wit and lethal brawn, Mercy steadily becomes a key figure in National City’s growing “human-first” movement.

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