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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:56 pm

Obama sux.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:12 pm

That's better

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Re: The Conservative Thread

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Re: The Conservative Thread

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby pastajoe » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:31 am

Conservative talk radio's Michael Savage is calling for a new Nationalist party to be to the right of the Republican party. Not the best choice of a name, but have at it and make Republicans even more irrelevant in future elections versus Democrats.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:03 am

Yeah, this isn't going to happen... Especially not while there's money to be made.

Sen. Schumer Asks Gun Retailers To Stop Sales As Congress Debates

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/ ... s-debates/

NEW YORK — Sen. Charles Schumer says retailers that sell assault weapons should stop offering them for purchase while Congress discusses gun regulation legislation.

Schumer on Sunday released a letter he sent to major retailers asking for a voluntary moratorium.

The New York Democrat says consumer demand for guns has gone up in the weeks since the December mass shooting in Newtown, Conn.

Schumer says Congress is debating the issue, and if measures get passed that limit these type of weapons, it won’t help if more of them have recently been sold.

President Barack Obama has made gun control a top priority. Vice President Joe Biden is expected to give him a comprehensive package of recommendations for curbing gun violence this week.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:04 am

NRA President: White House Won’t Pass Assault Weapon Ban

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/ ... eapon-ban/

The National Rifle Association president stated that the proposed White House legislation on assault weapons will fail in Congress. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The powerful gun lobby is gauging enough support in Congress to block a law that would ban assault weapons, despite promises from the White House and senior lawmakers to make such a measure a reality.

Senators plan to introduce a bill that would ban assault weapons and limit the size of ammunition magazines, like the one used in the December shooting massacre that killed 27 people, most of them children, in Newtown, Conn. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California has promised to push for a renewal of expired legislation.

The National Rifle Association has so far prevented passage of another assault weapons ban like the one that expired in 2004. But some lawmakers say the Newtown tragedy has transformed the country, and Americans are ready for stricter gun laws. President Barack Obama has made gun control a top priority. And on Tuesday Vice President Joe Biden is expected to give Obama a comprehensive package of recommendations for curbing gun violence.

Still, the NRA has faith that Congress would prevent a new weapons ban.

“When a president takes all the power of his office, if he’s willing to expend political capital, you don’t want to make predictions. You don’t want to bet your house on the outcome. But I would say that the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this Congress,” NRA president David Keene told CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., responded with a flat out “no” when asked on CBS’ “Face the Nation” whether Congress would pass a ban on assault weapons.

Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a lifelong member of the NRA has said everything should be on the table to prevent another tragedy like Newtown. But he assured gun owners he would fight for gun rights at the same time. “I would tell all of my friends in NRA, I will work extremely hard and I will guarantee you there will not be an encroachment on your Second Amendment rights,” Manchin said on ABC’s “This Week.”

The NRA’s deep pockets help bolster allies and punish lawmakers who buck them. The group spent at least $24 million in the 2012 elections — $16.8 million through its political action committee and nearly $7.5 million through its affiliated Institute for Legislative Action. Separately, the NRA spent some $4.4 million through July 1 to lobby Congress. Keene insists the group represents its members and not just the gun manufacturers, though he said the NRA would like industry to contribute more money to the association.

“We know what works and what doesn’t work. And we’re not willing to compromise on people’s rights when there is no evidence that doing so is going to accomplish the purpose,” Keene said.

The NRA, instead, is pushing for measures that would keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, until a person gets better. “If they are cured, there ought to be a way out of it,” Keene said.

Currently, a person is banned from buying a gun from a licensed dealer if the person is a fugitive, a felon, convicted of substance abuse, convicted of domestic violence, living in the U.S. illegally or someone who “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

States, however, are inconsistent in providing information about mentally ill residents to the federal government for background checks. And, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said some 40 percent of gun sales happen with no background checks, such as at gun shows and by private sellers over the Internet or through classified ads.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:06 am

This is funny, but true

Precedent Teaches Us The Left Really Wants ALL Our Guns

http://cnsnews.com/blog/charlie-daniels ... l-our-guns

When the Supreme Court, or any other court for that matter, makes a ruling in a case they first look for precedent, in other words to see if there has been a court decision rendered on the same subject in the past and usually defer to the old decision in ruling on the case.

The greatest teacher in life is experience; it only takes one time of burning your fingers on a hot stove to know that you never want to touch another one.

The next greatest teacher is observation, paying attention to someone else's experiences and profiting from their wins and losses, trials and errors.

In my generation I have seen the rise and fall of fascism, communism, different experiments in socialism and the kind of downright social and fiscal foolishness that leads to what has recently happened in Greece.

There is an old saying that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

There is at this time a huge debate in our nation about the private ownership of firearms. The president and the anti-gun crowd claim they do not want to do away with private ownership, that they only want to modify the existing laws having to do with assault weapons -which can be construed as anything in your gun cabinet of any heavy caliber - and clips for semiautomatic weapons holding more than 10 bullets.

I submit to you that what is going on here is the first assault on private gun ownership

They will take what ever they can get now and continue to chip away until all you can legally own to protect your family with is a baseball bat.

Did you know that one of the major reasons the Japanese did not attempt to land troops on the American coast during World War Two is because they knew that Americans owned guns and would fight tooth and nail for every inch of shore line.

Hitler disarmed Germany, Stalin disarmed Russia, and Mao disarmed China.

The mainstream media is quick to report any kind of gun violence but omit the stories where lives have been saved by legally owned guns in the hands of good citizens and the stories are many and varied all across the country.

Let's look at some precedent:

In 1997, many Aussies were forced to give up their privately owned firearms. Over 630,000 were turned in to be destroyed as part of a "buyback plan" by the Australian government. Total cost of the buyback? $500,000,000.

One year later, here were the results:

Homicides nationwide: Up 6.2%

Assaults nationwide: Up 9.6%

Armed robberies nationwide: Up 44%

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms went up 300%.

Five years later, a "continued modest decline" in homicides was noted, but what has gone up in the land down under over the past few years is the number of assaults. Overall, assaults are up 40% and sexual assaults are up 20%.

Across the pond, Great Britain passed a handgun ban in 1998. Ten years later, many British "bobbies" are armed for the first time because of the amount of illegal guns in the hands of criminals.

Have you read about gun bans resulting in more gun violence or seen it on the television news?

Do you think it's newsworthy?

America, no matter what Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the far left in America say, they want your guns.

They want them all.

Don't just wait and see.

What do you think?

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:09 am

U.S. gun sales hit a record high since Obama's re-election

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/11/1 ... -high.html


To the nation’s gun lobby and gun rights advocates, the Obama administration is public enemy No. 1.

Yet the president has proven to be a boon for gun sales.

In the four years since Barack Obama was first elected president in November 2008, an estimated 67 million firearms have been purchased in the United States. That’s more than were sold in almost seven years before his first election.

Now come concerns that Obama will push through stricter gun laws — although in four years he’s yet to push for them.

With Obama starting a second term in office — and anti-gun fervor stoked by shooting massacres in Aurora, Colo., and Newtown, Conn. — an unprecedented surge in the sales of firearms has taken off.

December 2012 saw a record-shattering number of requests for criminal background checks on prospective gun buyers — more than 116,000 of those from Kansas and Missouri alone.

“Since Obama was re-elected,” said Gary Jessup of UT Arms in Kansas City, Kan., “it’s been off the chart.”

Nationwide, more than 2.7 million of those checks were recorded for December, according to statistics kept by the FBI. Since late 1998 when federal law began mandating such checks for prospective gun buyers, the only other month that exceeded the 2 million mark was November 2012 — when Obama won a second term.

While the FBI said such checks do not represent the actual number of firearms sold, experts say the background check requests do provide the best measure of firearms sales in the United States.

Based on those numbers, 2012 was a record-setting year for gun sales in the country with more than 19 million background checks conducted.

Local gun retailers say the year-end surge has continued right on into 2013. Dealers say the only thing putting a damper on sales is that demand is outstripping the supply.

“Demand went crazy and people bought up everything that was there,” said Becky Bieker, owner of She’s A Pistol gun shop in Shawnee.

Since the background check law took effect in November 1998, more than 160 million checks have been conducted, according to the FBI.

The checks are required whenever someone seeks to make a firearm purchase from a licensed firearms dealer. Because some of those transactions can involve multiple weapons and because some people are denied as a result of the check, the FBI said a “one-to-one correlation” between checks and sales cannot be made.

Since the checks were implemented there have been 987,578 denials, according to the FBI. Most of those rejections were triggered by prior felony convictions or misdemeanor domestic violence.

Other reasons for denial include being dishonorably discharged from the military, having a court record of mental health problems, being in the country illegally or being the subject of a domestic violence restraining order.

In Missouri, more than 513,000 background checks were requested in 2012, nearly doubling the total from five years earlier. It puts Missouri 12th in the country for per capita checks with 85 per 100,000 people.

Kansas saw a similar near doubling from five years previously after recording more than 210,000 checks in 2012, according to the FBI statistics. That puts Kansas 23rd in the country with 73 checks per 100,000.

“The government is threatening to take their guns away,” Steve Brackeen of Blue Steel Guns in Raytown said of the sentiment expressed by many of his customers.

After the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in mid-December, there was a run on military-style semi-automatic rifles, though that rush has “settled down,” according to Brackeen.

Those were the kinds of weapons targeted by the “assault weapons” ban that took effect in 1994 and ultimately faded away in 2004.

That law banned the new manufacture of those types of weapons and also limited the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines. However, the law exempted weapons that were already in circulation.

Many people are now buying those kinds of weapons and magazines that they think may be subject to a new ban, gun dealers say.

“People are afraid they’re going to try to stop them from buying them in the future,” said Jessup of UT Arms.

Kathy Peisert, owner of Great Guns in Liberty, said some people are even looking at purchasing items as an investment.

“If they’re banned,” she said, “the prices will rise.”

But because people are uncertain what new gun regulations could be enacted, dealers say, they are buying all types of weapons.

The demand for high-capacity magazines — magazines that hold a large number of rounds — has been particularly strong.

Thirty-round magazines for AR-15 rifles are “long gone,” Bieker said. She said some of her customers have told her they’ve seen them being sold for $150 to $200, or 10 times the usual price.

And there is now a two-week delay in obtaining some kinds of high-capacity handgun magazines from wholesalers, who have a back-up of orders in with manufacturers.

“I used to be able to get them the next day, no problem, and in any quantity,” Bieker said.

Along with the surge in demand for weapons, increasing numbers of people are seeking permits to carry concealed weapons.

In December, the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office received 281 applications. That capped a year when 2,329 applications were received. That number eclipsed any previous year, and more than doubled the number for 2011.

The more politicians talk about controlling guns, said Jessup of UT Arms, the more people are motivated to buy them.

“People who don’t like the stuff,” he said, “are driving sales.”

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Frag » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:52 am

In 1997, many Aussies were forced to give up their privately owned firearms. Over 630,000 were turned in to be destroyed as part of a "buyback plan" by the Australian government. Total cost of the buyback? $500,000,000.

One year later, here were the results:

Homicides nationwide: Up 6.2%

Assaults nationwide: Up 9.6%

Armed robberies nationwide: Up 44%

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms went up 300%.

Five years later, a "continued modest decline" in homicides was noted, but what has gone up in the land down under over the past few years is the number of assaults. Overall, assaults are up 40% and sexual assaults are up 20%.


I love how he dismisses the decline in homicides because it doesn't prove his point. I'm surprised he even left it in. :lol:

I would take an uptick in assaults for a decline in homicides.
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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby GLX » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:55 pm

pastajoe wrote:Conservative talk radio's Michael Savage is calling for a new Nationalist party to be to the right of the Republican party. Not the best choice of a name, but have at it and make Republicans even more irrelevant in future elections versus Democrats.


Maybe Michael Savage should join the Constitution Party. He might fit right in.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:39 am

60,000 Expected To Attend Vegas Gun Show

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2013/01/15 ... -gun-show/

LAS VEGAS (AP) — A weapons industry group based in the Connecticut town where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults last month is opening a Las Vegas Strip trade show Tuesday that’s expected to draw tens of thousands of manufacturers and enthusiasts.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation was focusing its 35th annual SHOT Show on products and services new to what it calls a $4.1 billion industry, with a nod to a raging national debate over assault weapons.

The group said it has issued credentials to nearly 60,000 industry professionals, recreational gun owners and law enforcers to attend.

“Hunting and the recreational shooting sports are here to stay. And so are we,” Steve Sanetti, the foundation president and chief executive, said in a show-opening statement. “A prerequisite to any dialogue involving our industry and its products is an honest recognition of the legitimacy of what we do and the important part of the national culture which we represent.”

The Shooting Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show at the sprawling Sands Expo Convention Center is closed to the public, and the organizer limited media attendance after the Dec. 14 shooting in Newtown, Conn.

Foundation spokesman Bill Brassard Jr. told The Associated Press on Monday the organization stopped accepting media applications when it was swamped by requests following the Newtown shooting. At the time, the foundation issued a statement saying family, friends and acquaintances were affected by what it called a terrible tragedy.

In Las Vegas, gun rights enthusiast and activist Eric McGovern, a volunteer area director for the Nevada Firearms Coalition, said his work schedule prevents him from attending the SHOT Show, which runs through Friday.

But McGovern said he was closely watching the gun rights debate framed by President Barack Obama, who has called for gun controls to curb mass shootings like the Newtown massacre, and National Rifle Association chief executive Wayne LaPierre, who has said, “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

New York’s Senate on Monday passed the toughest gun control law in the nation calling for a tougher assault weapons ban, restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns and mandatory police registration of assault weapons. The measure was expected to pass in the Assembly on Tuesday.

In Baltimore, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg argued during a gun violence conference at Johns Hopkins University for greater federal gun control, including background checks for all purchases and a federal crackdown on trafficking. Bloomberg co-chairs Mayors Against Illegal Guns, whose members also spoke out Monday in cities including Portland, Maine; Fort Wayne, Ind.; and Santa Fe, N.M.

McGovern, 37, of Las Vegas, owns a military-style semiautomatic rifle similar to the one authorities say was used in Newtown, and two registered handguns. He has a concealed carry permit.

“Here’s the problem we’re having right now,” he said. “We’re all very emotional. We need our elected officials to sit back and think calmly. They’re talking about massive laws at the federal level.”

Obama on Monday was considering a range of possible executive actions including ordering stricter action against people who lie on gun sale background checks, striking limits on federal research into gun use, ordering tougher penalties against gun trafficking and giving schools flexibility to use grant money to improve safety.

The president told reporters that he also supports legislation to ban assault weapons, limit the capacity of ammunition magazines and institute universal background checks. He is expected to unveil his proposals as early as Wednesday.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation said it was part of a firearms violence task force meeting headed by Vice President Joe Biden last week, along with the NRA.

Sanetti, the foundation chief, is due late Tuesday to talk in Las Vegas about the state of the weapons industry before 2,000 guests who are also scheduled to be entertained by Las Vegas comedian, impressionist and singer Terry Fator.

“Ours is a responsible industry that manufactures and sells lawful products to law-abiding citizens, who in turn exercise their constitutional right to own, use and enjoy firearms safely and responsibly for lawful purposes,” Sanetti said in his statement.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:40 am

Oregon sheriff to VP: I won't enforce any new gun laws

http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/187059561.html

ALBANY, Ore. - The sheriff of an Oregon county sent a letter to Vice President Joe Biden on Monday saying he and his deputies would not enforce - nor allow federal officials to enforce - any new federal firearms laws in his county, according to a copy of the letter posted on the Linn County Sheriff's Office website.

"Politicians are attempting to exploit the deaths of innocent victims by advocating for laws that would prevent honest, law abiding Americans from possessing certain firearms and ammunition magazines," Sheriff Tim Mueller wrote in the letter dated January 14, 2013. "Any federal regulation enacted by Congress or by executive order of the President offending the constitutional rights of my citizens shall not be enforced by me or by my deputies, nor will I permit the enforcement of any unconstitutional regulations or orders by federal officers within the borders of Linn County, Oregon.

"In summary, it is the position of this Sheriff that I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals due to the unconstitutional actions of misguided politicians," Mueller said.

Read the full letter

Reached by phone on Monday afternoon, Mueller said he decided to write the letter after he and his deputies kept hearing questions from Linn County residents about their positions on the gun control debate.

“I told my deputies, ‘Hey look, I’m not going to turn otherwise honest citizens into criminals because of some misguided efforts from the U.S. Capitol,’” Mueller said.

He added he wants to “let people know that we’re here to stand up for them.”

“Whether it’s the Second Amendment or the First Amendment, it doesn’t make any difference to me. It’s just that I don’t think Congress should enact any of those types of restrictive laws and regulations, be it from Congress or executive order, that offends the constitutional rights of otherwise responsible and honest citizens,” Mueller said.

The sheriff compared his decision to not enforce any potential gun laws to the restrictions on local law enforcement from enforcing federal immigration laws.

He said if his deputies are told not to enforce those federal laws, it’s unreasonable to expect them to enforce any federal gun laws.

Mueller said he’s heard from a few critics already, but they were all from outside Linn County. As of 5:30 p.m. on Monday, the Facebook post with the letter had more than 14,000 shares and 10,000 “likes.”

“That’s the good thing about this country. We can have decent conversations that go back and forth without resorting to name-calling and that sort of stuff,” Mueller said. “People are entitled to their opinions and I have mine, both professionally and personally, and I made this one pretty well known.”

President Barack Obama is set to announce Wednesday his plan to curb gun violence in the United States. The plan is being hailed as the nation's most sweeping effort to curb gun violence in nearly two decades. Obama will urge a reluctant Congress to ban military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like those used in last month's massacre of 20 elementary school children in Newtown, Conn.

The broad package Obama will announce is also expected to include more than a dozen steps the president can take on his own through executive action. Those measures will provide a pathway for skirting opposing lawmakers, but they will be limited in scope, and in some cases, focused simply on enforcing existing laws.

Obama will announce his proposals in a midday event at the White House, flanked by children who wrote to him about gun violence following the massacre of 20 students and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Law enforcement officials, mayors from across the country and supportive congressional lawmakers are also expected to attend.

Obama has pledged urgent action to prevent future mass shootings, and his plan — coming just one month after the Newtown attacks — is swift by Washington standards.

The president's framework is based on recommendations from Vice President Joe Biden, who led a wide-ranging task force on gun violence. Beyond the gun control measures, Biden also gave Obama suggestions for improving mental health care and addressing violent images in video games, movies and television.

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Re: The Conservative Thread

Postby Nobama » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:42 am

Gun Sales Skyrocket

http://www.kotatv.com/story/20577058/gu ... -skyrocket

Gun sales have skyrocketed in KOTA Territory and across the country.

Michael Mooney, owner of Southern Hills Tactical in Custer, says the demand for firearms is unprecedented.

He says he sold 85 assault weapons ranging from $650 dollars to $3,000 dollars in just three days.

He believes people are buying in bulk, in hopes of turning a profit later, when the weapons are presumably tougher to get.

"Never seen sales like this at all. In the month of December there was nearly 2.8 million sales transfers done though NICS, which is roughly a million more than the previous December," says Mooney.

Mooney says most of his buyers are in their mid 40's or older.

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