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syxxpakk wrote:EDIT: Sorry, I somehow lost all of your quotes. Good luck trying to decipher that, heh.
You might not have known this, but Rikishi made his debut in wrestling in the 80s. He went through a ton of shit gimmicks from being your stereotypical Samoan, to a nice thug, to the Sultan, before dancing made him one of the biggest acts during the WWE's biggest business year ever.
When I say talent, I don't necessarily mean in-ring abilities. Of those you mentioned, the ones with strong personalities IMO would be Storm, Malenko, Haas, London, and Kendrick. Michinoku does too, but it's a different kind and it doesn't work in America unfortunately. Regardless, while they have strong personalities that when used effectively (Malenko's late 2000-run or his feud with Jericho; Storm in WCW; Haas now in ROH; London and Kendrick on the indy scene), I don't think anyone would ever compare them to the same level as the ones I mentioned.
Where do you get that his name was selling merch? I mean it might have been but I don't know that's as on point as you think it is. I don't think he was ever a major mover either way, except maybe early on in 2001.
But it has nothing to do with him being an ECW-creation and everything to do with Jack Swagger getting tons of publicity for his character. If RVD was getting the kind of press at the time he got busted that Swagger is now, it probably would have happened a lot differently.
I did know that but I admit that I was so concentrated on how ridiculous his dancing gimmick was that I didn't take it into account when I was responding to your post. Regardless, aside from a very brief run as a heel, his level of success is no where near the level of any of the other names that you mentioned.
In the case of most of the wrestlers I named, unfortunately we will never know what could have been if they had been given proper pushes in the WWE. Lance Storm should have dominated the mid-card until he was rightfully raised to the main event but instead, his style was mocked and he was unfairly buried. Dean Malenko could have had the same type of success as Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero but he never even had a chance to succeed in the WWE because he was immediately stuck in the neglected Light Heavyweight division and then forced into feuds with Divas. One of the best technical wrestlers of all time and a former member of the Four Horsemen, reduced to fighting Divas.
Between 2001 and the time he left the WWE in 2007, Rob Van Dam was consistently one of the most over superstars on the roster. He was definitely more over than Rikishi. Sure, his name wasn't Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, or Triple H but just go back and watch any of his matches and watch the crowd. They absolutely loved him. The problem was, Rob Van Dam was an established name before he came to the WWE and Vince McMahon couldn't add anything to the character. Because of that, he suffered in mid-card hell for years before they finally gave him the opportunity. Unfortunately, he screwed himself by violating the rules of the WWE's Wellness Program.
The mainstream controversy surrounding Swagger and Colter's characters is already dying out. There will be no long term benefit from outside the WWE Universe for it. Regardless, it shouldn't matter if he draws one ass to a seat or one million. Jacob Hager made a boneheaded mistake, I don't think that he should be fired for it but I definitely think that there should be some type of consistency shown on the WWE's part. If you are going to take championships away from a guy for violating the policy, the least you can do is take away another person's title shot. Otherwise, what's to stop the next guy from violating the policy? What happens then? Jack Swagger gets off scott free but what about the next guy? "What's that Vince, you're going to let me go because I smoked a joint? Jack Swagger was arrested for a DUI and drug possession and he got to wrestle for the World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania!"
I liked Brodus when he came out dancing.
syxxpakk wrote:Also, remember how Steve Austin, Triple H, the Rock, Rikishi, Edge, Christian, and, well, you get the point, were saddled forever with shitty gimmicks that made it so they'd never get over?
Talent rises above. That's why Curtis will get over.
KING King Impulse wrote:People complain about how no-one has GIMMICKS anymore, and everyone in WWE has boring, normal person names like, for example, Johnny Curtis. Now WWE seems to be having a slight shift back to CHARACTERS with dudes like Brodus, Tensai and Fandango, and still people complain.
Everyone goes on about a return to the attitude era, but what's the difference between Fandango and Scotty 2 Hotty, really? Or Gangrel for that matter? or any of the other ridiculous characters that were about back then?
Fandango is fun. I love his Mortal Kombat backstory of 'conquering the ballroom, now trying his hand at the squared circle' It's ridiculous, it's stupid and it's fun. Wrestling is sometimes.
Tattooed Jesus wrote:
Steve Austin was all kinds over as Stunning Steve Austin in the USWA, WCCW, NWA/WCW and as a member of the Hollywood Blondes well before he came to WWE and got handed the shitty Ring Master gimmick which lasted about as long as a hiccup. He blew up when he got to be Stone Cold but he was already very popular before then. He was not some scrub.
HHH had a couple shitty gimmicks but he worked the blue blood snob gimmick so well that it took and he ran with and made it his thing and made himself get noticed. Like Austin he became most popular with his turn in DX when his character was just a natural extension of his personality. He wasn't some scrub either.
Edge and Christian came in as Edge and Christian and just grew and developed those characters over time, I never though their gimmicks were shitty at all.
Rikishi was part of the Samoan SWAT TEAM! One of the most bad ass teams ever so I forgive him for being the dancing fool, because you already knew like the others they talent was there you had seen it already.
Rock yeah he was pretty much a scrub and I damned him to fail right off the bat. Wasn't until he began doing his talking in third person deal that I took notice of him and saw that he had "it".
Curtis to me is a scrub. I don't see in him what I saw in any of the above mentioned at any point in their careers. Could I be wrong fuck yeah I could but I don't think I am. I think he sucks and is unentertaining. I would rather see Ryder or Bo Dallas get the time he is getting.
Kevin Nash had a couple of bad gimmicks, remember OZ, one of my favorites was One Man Gang transforming into Akeem, the African Dream
Bianco wrote:Kevin Nash had a couple of bad gimmicks, remember OZ, one of my favorites was One Man Gang transforming into Akeem, the African Dream
Not to take anything away from Kevin Nash but he definitely got lucky on two fronts. He had friends in the right places and he was a big guy in Vince McMahon's WWE. If Vince McMahon loves one thing, it's big guys.
I especially like and admire Zechs. He's everything I wish I could be!
Dragavon wrote:Zechs... is...
I can't say it. It's too horrible. Zechs...is...not...wrong...
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