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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Bianco » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:41 pm

well i guess someone else had to lose MitB, I'm sure someone in creative got a chuckle that the only other MitB loser beat Sandow :roll:

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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Agent of the Bat » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:53 am

Bianco wrote:well i guess someone else had to lose MitB, I'm sure someone in creative got a chuckle that the only other MitB loser beat Sandow :roll:


I honestly had forgotten Sandow still even had the MITB case. There only needs to be one MITB winner and there needs to be only one Main Event Champion. Having two makes one seems trivial and thats what happened here.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Bianco » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:23 am

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I honestly had forgotten Sandow still even had the MITB case. There only needs to be one MITB winner and there needs to be only one Main Event Champion. Having two makes one seems trivial and thats what happened here.


you are correct sir

it's part of the society that has to give everyone an award for something even for losing, "participation" awards so no one gets left out, If Roddy Piper was wrestling today he would be a 9 time world champion by now. Tommy Rich would have one the title 5 more times at least.

That 's why I like Jericho who are more proud of their body of work than winning a million titles

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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Mr. Log » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:34 am

Bianco wrote:
you are correct sir

it's part of the society that has to give everyone an award for something even for losing, "participation" awards so no one gets left out ...


That's got nothing to do with the current title problem in the WWE. They are still paying for their failed experiment of two separate brands within one company (RAW v Smackdown) where each brand had its own set of belts. Now that they've merged everyone in all but name, many of the belts are rendered redundant and useless where other belts that should mean something (ie Tag Teams) are pointless due to lack of competition. They can get rid of outlier belts like Cruiserweight (dammit!) and Hardcore easily because they don't have histories. You can't just eliminate the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship because they (used to) mean something.

It's a sad, ridiculous situation. When you can't even defend every belt at a PPV, not even one called "Night of Champions," you have too many damn belts. :smt011

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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Agent of the Bat » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:37 am

Bianco wrote:
you are correct sir

it's part of the society that has to give everyone an award for something even for losing, "participation" awards so no one gets left out, If Roddy Piper was wrestling today he would be a 9 time world champion by now. Tommy Rich would have one the title 5 more times at least.

That 's why I like Jericho who are more proud of their body of work than winning a million titles

rant done......... 8)


Thats the big thing that bothers me about todays product all the big feuds have to center around the titles. Back in the old days some of the best feuds had nothing to do with titles or championships. They were because you absolutely hated the other guy you were facing in the ring. He did something to a member of your family or stole your girl or shit in your gym bag but whatever the reason you hated your opponent and wanted to kill that motherfucker in the ring, titles be damned.

Now it's all about getting the belt, getting the briefcase, etc etc. There is nothing personal about feuds anymore and that takes away from the story telling IMHO.

Punk and Heyman was the best example of a good storyline that didn't involve titles until they involved Ryback because Ryback is fucking horrible.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby misac » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:41 am

Punchy wrote:Damien Sad-Now :(


Agree. :-(
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby misac » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:42 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Did they replace Cena's elbow with one from a black guy? He's talking extra ghetto today.


That promo was so fucking bad.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby misac » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:43 am

Bianco wrote:well i guess someone else had to lose MitB, I'm sure someone in creative got a chuckle that the only other MitB loser beat Sandow :roll:


Maybe that's how they convinced Cena to lose in the first place.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby misac » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:45 am

Log-Man wrote:
That's got nothing to do with the current title problem in the WWE. They are still paying for their failed experiment of two separate brands within one company (RAW v Smackdown) where each brand had its own set of belts. Now that they've merged everyone in all but name, many of the belts are rendered redundant and useless where other belts that should mean something (ie Tag Teams) are pointless due to lack of competition. They can get rid of outlier belts like Cruiserweight (dammit!) and Hardcore easily because they don't have histories. You can't just eliminate the WWE Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship because they (used to) mean something.

It's a sad, ridiculous situation. When you can't even defend every belt at a PPV, not even one called "Night of Champions," you have too many damn belts. :smt011


I think with Cena having the WHC he’s going to go after the WWE title and finally have one.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby misac » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:47 am

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Thats the big thing that bothers me about todays product all the big feuds have to center around the titles. Back in the old days some of the best feuds had nothing to do with titles or championships. They were because you absolutely hated the other guy you were facing in the ring. He did something to a member of your family or stole your girl or shit in your gym bag but whatever the reason you hated your opponent and wanted to kill that motherfucker in the ring, titles be damned.

Now it's all about getting the belt, getting the briefcase, etc etc. There is nothing personal about feuds anymore and that takes away from the story telling IMHO.

Punk and Heyman was the best example of a good storyline that didn't involve titles until they involved Ryback because Ryback is fucking horrible.


Yeah, it’s sad. If someone gets the IC or US title it usually means their career is about to take a down turn.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby misac » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:49 am

It was a good Raw, some good matches. Really liked Roman Reigns out bumping Seth Rollins.

I was surprised the crowd booed Shawn so fast without him going into heel mode. And when he did he was such a dick. He sucked at taking the Yes Lock though. :P
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Mr. Log » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:01 pm

misac wrote:
I think with Cena having the WHC he’s going to go after the WWE title and finally have one.


Here's hoping.

And it better not have a spinner.

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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:51 pm

misac wrote:
I think with Cena having the WHC he’s going to go after the WWE title and finally have one.


It would be nice to see a situation where the same wrestler could hold both belts at the same time, but could lose one or the other on RAW or Smackdown. It could set up for having a "title unification" match on maybe one PPV a year.
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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby Bianco » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:25 pm

Thunderstruck wrote:
Thats the big thing that bothers me about todays product all the big feuds have to center around the titles. Back in the old days some of the best feuds had nothing to do with titles or championships. They were because you absolutely hated the other guy you were facing in the ring. He did something to a member of your family or stole your girl or shit in your gym bag but whatever the reason you hated your opponent and wanted to kill that motherfucker in the ring, titles be damned.

Now it's all about getting the belt, getting the briefcase, etc etc. There is nothing personal about feuds anymore and that takes away from the story telling IMHO.

Punk and Heyman was the best example of a good storyline that didn't involve titles until they involved Ryback because Ryback is fucking horrible.


that's what i was trying to get at, you just did a better job of it, a lot of the old feuds had nothing to do with titles.

I agree though that with WWE no longer doing a true brand split all the titles are unnecessary, either return the brand split or merge the titles

I liked the idea of doing brand split ppv's a while ago, it would given them two months of tv to develop a story instead of 3 weeks

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Re: The Official Outhouse All Wrestling Thread!

Postby The Shadow » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:34 pm

Thunderstruck wrote:
Because Cena is back and healthy.

Cena is the #1 guy in the company, he is "the face" of the WWE. CM Punk is right on his tails as the #2 guy, and I think he is going to be back in the WWE championship hunt sooner rather than later. Orton and Bryan are basically battling each other for who is the #3 guy in the company, neither of them will ever be "the face of the WWE". Orton may be champ but HHH and Steph are the main focus of that story line not him. Bryan should have won a couple PPVs back and had a nice little run with title, but now it just feels like all the momentum he had built up was gone. Reminds of me Luger chasing Flair back in the day. No Luger is no where near the talent Bryan is but the circumstances are similar. Sting did the same thing but Sting eventually won the title. Luger never beat Flair he only got his first WCW title because Flair went to the WWF. You gotta let the face, the underdog, the challenger, the chaser, whatever you want to call him win sometime, the chase has to end at some point. I'm all for long story lines, long term booking is great, maybe this would be better if it were back in the when PPV's were more spread out and things seemed more important when they occured but to me it just seems like the shine is dulling on the Bryan/Orton storyline and I think things will move in a different direction now.

But wouldn't that be why Cena won DelRio's title which allows Orton/Bryan to continue?

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