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GOSD

Everybody lies!

Postby GOSD » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:00 pm

Strict31 wrote:Yeah, TNG wasn't ever really intended to be a conflict-driven show, but Worf was the guy who carried most of the conflict drama on his shoulders. Even Data, to some small degree is a conflicted character. But both ultimately ingratiate themselves among the crew professionally.

But like I said, TNG wasn't founded on a premise of conflict. Voyager, on the other hand, is trying to insert conflict into its themes from the very first episode with its merged crew of enemies, Starfleet and the terrorist Maquis. And instead of capitalizing on that conflict as DS9 masterfully did under Ron Moore's watch, they squandered it under writer and producer Jeri Taylor's watch.
Ensign Ro. ;-)
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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:14 pm

GOSD wrote:Ensign Ro. ;-)


I really, really wish she would've stuck around. I liked the uber-ambitious second-officer during Picard's Borg stint too.
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nietoperz

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Postby nietoperz » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:19 pm

Black Kryptonite wrote:I really, really wish she would've stuck around. I liked the uber-ambitious second-officer during Picard's Borg stint too.


DS9 was originally going to have been built around her character, but Michelle Forbes bailed. The character was then re-written as Kira Nerys.
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Postby superfictious » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:20 pm

nietoperz wrote:DS9 was originally going to have been built around her character, but Michelle Forbes bailed. The character was then re-written as Kira Nerys.


Whew. Lucky for her career that she made the right choice, eh? :roll:
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Postby KingPagla » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:58 pm

Black Kryptonite wrote:Whew. Lucky for her career that she made the right choice, eh? :roll:
Well, I see her working more often than Nana Visitor.
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Postby superfictious » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:09 pm

MechaKingPagla wrote:Well, I see her working more often than Nana Visitor.


I see Visitor in a decent amount of stuff. She's no megastar, but she gets around. Usually it's soap-operaesque tv dramas, though.
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GOSD

Everybody lies!

Postby GOSD » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:34 pm

I'm happy that Nana took the role.

I like her character better than Ensign Ro's.
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Strict31

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Postby Strict31 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:03 pm

GOSD wrote:I'm happy that Nana took the role.

I like her character better than Ensign Ro's.


I thought Ensign Ro was one of the best characters created in Star Trek. And I thought she had one of the worst send-offs of any character in Trek. Just soured the character for me, even in the Mission Gamma novels.

I didn't start liking Kira until the end of the series almost. In that first episode of DS9, she was so fucking annoying that I was sure Sisko was about to turn to odo and say, "Constable, please put something in her mouth because my zipper's stuck."

Of course, i didn't like much about the first season of DS9.
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GOSD

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Postby GOSD » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:08 pm

Strict31 wrote:I thought Ensign Ro was one of the best characters created in Star Trek. And I thought she had one of the worst send-offs of any character in Trek. Just soured the character for me, even in the Mission Gamma novels.

I didn't start liking Kira until the end of the series almost. In that first episode of DS9, she was so fucking annoying that I was sure Sisko was about to turn to odo and say, "Constable, please put something in her mouth because my zipper's stuck."

Of course, i didn't like much about the first season of DS9.
She kicked ass in the Way of the Warrior with the Klingon fight scene.

Don't get me started on her training the Cardassians. :P

I loved her.

I thought Ro was a huge whiner and a huge disappointment.

Her sendoff was lame.
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Postby Strict31 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:15 pm

GOSD wrote:She kicked ass in the Way of the Warrior with the Klingon fight scene.

Don't get me started on her training the Cardassians. :P

I loved her.

I thought Ro was a huge whiner and a huge disappointment.

Her sendoff was lame.


I liked Ro because she was one of the few bajorans who wasn't constantly running off at the mouth about "prophets-this and celestial temple-that." Stick a sock in it, Kai. But like I said, Kira didn't get cool until she fucking shut her mouth for mor than a few seconds at a stretch and realized she needed to be suckin' on some changeling dick.

Ro was too much of a smart-ass to be a whiner. She did have her flaws though. But it was cool watching her grow out of those flaws. Until her last episode, where she was infected with a stupidity-virus.

Of course, that reminds me: I always hated the Maquis too. Terrorist sum'bitches!!!
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GOSD

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Postby GOSD » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:40 pm

Strict31 wrote:I liked Ro because she was one of the few bajorans who wasn't constantly running off at the mouth about "prophets-this and celestial temple-that." Stick a sock in it, Kai. But like I said, Kira didn't get cool until she fucking shut her mouth for mor than a few seconds at a stretch and realized she needed to be suckin' on some changeling dick.

Ro was too much of a smart-ass to be a whiner. She did have her flaws though. But it was cool watching her grow out of those flaws. Until her last episode, where she was infected with a stupidity-virus.

Of course, that reminds me: I always hated the Maquis too. Terrorist sum'bitches!!!
Yeah, I laughed when the Jem'haddar took them out. :-D
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Postby Lord Simian » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:50 pm

From what I understand, after the DS9 thing, they AGAIN offered to make Forbes a castmember on a new show, that being Voyager. Obviously, it would have made sense with her being maquis and all.

And again, she turned them down. Good thing, too.... if she'd have taken either show, we might not have gotten her 10 line part in ESCAPE FROM LA! :)
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Postby Severed Djed » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:04 pm

Aaron_W wrote:The main problem with Star Trek TNG is there is NO conflicts in the cast.


A Gene Roddenberry directive which caused no end of difficulties with the writers, as I recall. Roddenberry figured Future Perfect Mankind wouldn't argue amongst themselves.

He also once said, or so I'm told, that everybody in Starfleet was an officer. Because officers represented the best of the best in his mind.

His ideas of how a space-based culture would operate are, um, interesting, to say the least.
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Postby sdsichero » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:05 pm

Strict31 wrote:I didn't start liking Kira until the end of the series almost. In that first episode of DS9, she was so fucking annoying that I was sure Sisko was about to turn to odo and say, "Constable, please put something in her mouth because my zipper's stuck."


And he did... ohhhh yes he did.
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Strict31

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Postby Strict31 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:24 pm

Severed Djed wrote:A Gene Roddenberry directive which caused no end of difficulties with the writers, as I recall. Roddenberry figured Future Perfect Mankind wouldn't argue amongst themselves.

He also once said, or so I'm told, that everybody in Starfleet was an officer. Because officers represented the best of the best in his mind.

His ideas of how a space-based culture would operate are, um, interesting, to say the least.


That's an odd quote given the fact that not everyone on the first 1701 was an officer, much less the 1701-D...I mean, how many "crewmen" got redshirted just because they happened to be on an Away mission with Kill 'Em All Kirk?

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