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Postby Strict31 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:27 am

sdsichero wrote:Next up is Y-Wings! One of my favorite ships! Come on,get excited! :-D

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This looks, ironically enough, like a more advanced Y-Wing design instead of a 20 year old version...

It's probably due to all the streamlining.
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Postby Zechs » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:13 am

Nightfly wrote:I noticed they replayed both episodes this (Wed.) evening. 7pm PST.

Good to know in case I miss any future epis.


I think they might replay the episodes one more time Friday too.
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Postby sdsichero » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:12 pm

Nightfly wrote:I noticed they replayed both episodes this (Wed.) evening. 7pm PST.

Good to know in case I miss any future epis.


Seems like Clone Wars may be a bit more successful than CN expected.

Another option is that they stream the week's prior episode (starting tomorrow) on cartoonnetwork.com/starwars.com. Of course if you want to spend money, they have it on iTunes too.
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Postby sdsichero » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:28 pm

Strict31 wrote:This looks, ironically enough, like a more advanced Y-Wing design instead of a 20 year old version...

It's probably due to all the streamlining.


Well it was a more elegant weapon... for a more civilized time.

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Though I don't know if it is canon, I remamber reading material from way back in the day about how they had to strip down the Y-Wings because they needed a lot of maintenance. So eventually they lost all the paneling.

On another front, I wish they'd use the clone trooper phase II armor. Think that looks loads better.

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Postby DeadFett » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:22 pm

The Yoda episode was great. As for the second episode, I really dislike Anakin's apprentice.
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Postby Strict31 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:29 pm

sdsichero wrote:Well it was a more elegant weapon... for a more civilized time.

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Though I don't know if it is canon, I remamber reading material from way back in the day about how they had to strip down the Y-Wings because they needed a lot of maintenance. So eventually they lost all the paneling.

On another front, I wish they'd use the clone trooper phase II armor. Think that looks loads better.


I could buy that argument with regards to the twin engine booms. In ANH time, they look striped down completely. But the rest of the design looks like the difference between, say, the Enterprise-E and the old 1701 from Kirk's day. Except in reverse.
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Postby sdsichero » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:17 pm

Strict31 wrote:I could buy that argument with regards to the twin engine booms. In ANH time, they look striped down completely. But the rest of the design looks like the difference between, say, the Enterprise-E and the old 1701 from Kirk's day. Except in reverse.


I am pretty sure th they have the strip down documented somewhere. Except for the hyperdrive issue, most of the ships in Star Wars pre-empire are sleeker than the Empire era ones. Lucas was probably going for a 1950s vs. 1970s kind of thing.

Or maybe a Enterprise NX-01 to an Enterprise NCC-1701 thing :-D

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Postby Strict31 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:50 pm

sdsichero wrote:I am pretty sure th they have the strip down documented somewhere. Except for the hyperdrive issue, most of the ships in Star Wars pre-empire are sleeker than the Empire era ones. Lucas was probably going for a 1950s vs. 1970s kind of thing.

Or maybe a Enterprise NX-01 to an Enterprise NCC-1701 thing :-D


Unfortunately, it just ends up looking like Marty McFly left the delorean parked next to a Model T...

I mean, if it were a matter of comparing, say Amidala's space-SR-71 to Han Solo's Falcon, that would be different. You can easily see two different design ethics, representative of their time periods.

But these are the same two ships. The Y-wings in ANH are basically twenty year old versions of the Clone Wars era Y-Wings. But one looks like the Next Generation version.

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Postby sdsichero » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:12 pm

Strict31 wrote:Unfortunately, it just ends up looking like Marty McFly left the delorean parked next to a Model T...

I mean, if it were a matter of comparing, say Amidala's space-SR-71 to Han Solo's Falcon, that would be different. You can easily see two different design ethics, representative of their time periods.

But these are the same two ships. The Y-wings in ANH are basically twenty year old versions of the Clone Wars era Y-Wings. But one looks like the Next Generation version.

I bet it even has a beard!


It could be that the Y-Wings (and who knows maybe these are considered to be precursors to Y-Wings) has had a design change along the way. Perhaps the manufacturing process became too costly, etc. The rebels were beat down pretty bad by the time we saw them in ANH.

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Postby Strict31 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:24 pm

sdsichero wrote:It could be that the Y-Wings (and who knows maybe these are considered to be precursors to Y-Wings) has had a design change along the way. Perhaps the manufacturing process became too costly, etc. The rebels were beat down pretty bad by the time we saw them in ANH.


I don't want to get into the trap of asking Star Wars to make too much sense. I've tried that, and the process usually gets derailed right around the time light starts making sounds in space.

I'm just sayin', the earlier version looks more like a later model rather than the same ship 20 years ago.
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Postby sdsichero » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:42 pm

Strict31 wrote:I don't want to get into the trap of asking Star Wars to make too much sense. I've tried that, and the process usually gets derailed right around the time light starts making sounds in space.

I'm just sayin', the earlier version looks more like a later model rather than the same ship 20 years ago.


Understood. Though I sort of see it like a motorcycle without it's housing on. Might look like a totally different bike with the shell. Though if they are following the sketch's proportions, it does look like the nacelles and front guns are longer.

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Postby Nightfly » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:37 am

Strict31 wrote:I don't want to get into the trap of asking Star Wars to make too much sense. I've tried that, and the process usually gets derailed right around the time light starts making sounds in space.

I'm just sayin', the earlier version looks more like a later model rather than the same ship 20 years ago.

I'm certainly not calling Lucas perfect but I buy a lot of the books about SW ships, especially the rpg books about ships, and I've usually been satisfied w/ his design change rationalizations.

I've actually been impressed at the amount of story they often offer explaining design changes and evolutions for various ships. I only remember once the explanation being as lame as a changed manufacturer.

It may not be available yet... but I have a strong feeling there'll be some novel, sourcebook, video game, or comic that explains/elaborates on the design change (even if only a little bit).
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Postby Nightfly » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:46 am

DeadFett wrote:I really dislike Anakin's apprentice.

Based on the single aired epi so far? Or moreso based on the theatrical release?

I still haven't seen the theatrical flick, which I understand features her prominently, but at the moment I like her spunky attitude.

I spent so much negative energy hating Jar-Jar,... I've kinda decided beforehand to give this new Togrutan Padawan a chance.

I'm hoping it'll be a way to learn more about the Togrutans
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Postby Strict31 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:02 am

Nightfly wrote:I'm certainly not calling Lucas perfect but I buy a lot of the books about SW ships, especially the rpg books about ships, and I've usually been satisfied w/ his design change rationalizations.


They're not his design change rationalizations, however. They are made by some cat employed by Wizards of the coast, or some random author who managed to score a book writing contract with Lucasbooks, or a videogame designer in Canada.
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Postby Nightfly » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:34 am

Strict31 wrote:They're not his design change rationalizations, however. They are made by some cat employed by Wizards of the coast, or some random author who managed to score a book writing contract with Lucasbooks, or a videogame designer in Canada.

I take your meaning.

As well as you know he signs off on everything bearing his name or characters, I know he isn't the sole writer/creator of everything related to SW.

If we get really really lucky maybe one day it'll be you or me writing his redesign rationalizations for some form of media! :D
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