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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby avengingtitan » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:26 pm

Amoebas wrote:Or maybe concepts like "Red She-Hulk" just aren't any good. :wink:

Actually most books starring females out right now suck. Wonder Woman is pretty good but only when compared to the rest of the NUDCU. When you compare it to past Wonder Woman books its terrible.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby e_galston » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:40 pm

Like i said Wonder Woman/Batgirl/Supergirl/Catwoman are some of the best known female superheroes if not the best known... they are gonna sell, regardless of quality... and the quality of Batgirl/Supergirl and Catwoman right now is kind of shitty...
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby Keb » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:46 pm

Marvel has never really had a Wonder Woman type of female hero. All of their female heroes seem to establish themselves on teams.

Someone call Anita Sarkeesian! Misogyny alert!

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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby Zechs » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:00 am

Marvel well.. the best female book they ever had was Spider-Girl. Even that was average. I was re-reading X-23. That was alright. The best written modern story was Lui's Black Widow. I think they should just do an ongoing with short stories. It's obvious the only way a female superhero at Marvel can hold a book is if it's a team one tragically.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:17 am

Shame, I really like Ms Marvel. I hope it doesn't get canceled.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby GiveWarAChance » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:27 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Shame, I really like Ms Marvel. I hope it doesn't get canceled.

It's got to be real close to being cancelled. It does have a crossover happening in issue #13 that can hopefully improve sales.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby sdsichero » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:02 am

So who are your guys' (or girls' if they exist here) favorite female characters from the big two?

Not those big two.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby Zechs » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:15 am

sdsichero wrote:So who are your guys' (or girls' if they exist here) favorite female characters from the big two?

Not those big two.


Mine don't exist anymore in DC. :P
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby MistaT » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:06 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Shame, I really like Ms Marvel. I hope it doesn't get canceled.


Ms Marvel has been pretty good. I was skeptikal at first due to the costume change and art, but both have grown on me and the story has been fun. Sue DeConnick has done a great job with her characterization.

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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby MistaT » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:24 am

I'll chime in with the "Marvel doesn't have an iconic female character" crowd too. And being that the time for creating an iconic character is loooong past due they never will. As much as I love some of their female characters(no Jude, not that way), they will never get the sales like DC's female characters.

Favorite female characters? I'd say Rogue and Ms Marvel are well at the top of that list. I like She-Hulk a lot too, but the comedic take on her holds her back I think. And Dagger too of course.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby GiveWarAChance » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:36 am

Marvel has so many great female characters. Some of my favorites are Dagger, Ms. Marvel, Black Cat, She-Hulk, Spider-Woman, Tigra, Domino and Valkyrie.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby Punchy » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:02 am

But I had been reliably informed that there were loads and loads of fans who wanted to read about female characters and that Marvel were SEXIST MISOGYNISTS for not having many of them.

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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby GiveWarAChance » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:35 am

Here are four recent Marvel titles that got cancelled, for comparison.

Black Widow
#1 - 32,807 - Debuts at #55
#2 - 23,384
#3 - 19,892
#4 - 18,665
#5 - 17,568
#6 - 18,499 - Variant covers kick in.
#7 - 16,653 - Variant covers not working.
#8 - 14,856 - Ends at #125. Lost 54.71% of audience.

Spider-Girl
#1 - 23,926 - Debuts at #74
#2 - 21,606
#3 - 15,302
#4 - 14,804
#5 - 13,757
#6 - 13,235
#7 - 12,563
#8 - 11,996 - Ends at #160. Lost 49.86% of audience.

Ghost Rider
#1 - 41,308 - Debuts at #37
#2 - 24,440
#3 - 22,180
#4 - 21,012
#5 - 18,664
#6 - 18,297
#7 - 16,846
#8 - 14,637
#9 - 13,716 - Ends at #130. Lost 66.79% of audience. :shock:

X-23
#1 - 48,481 - Debuts at #24
#2 - 35,280
#3 - 31,224
#4 - 29,704
#5 - 27,855
#6 - 27,156
#7 - 27,510
#8 - 27,745
#9 - 28,562 - Sales go up three months in a row.
#10 - 26,157 - That's more like it.
#11 - 25,985
#12 - 24,604
#13 - 23,976
#14 - 23,727
#15 - 24,043
#16 - 22,735
#17 - 22,778
#18 - 21,999
#19 - 21,348
#20 - 20,733
#21 - 20,125
The last issue of this series had stronger sales than Captain Marvel, Red She-Hulk and Journey Into Mystery currently have.
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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby HNutz » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:36 am

Keb wrote:Marvel has never really had a Wonder Woman type of female hero. All of their female heroes seem to establish themselves on teams.

Someone call Anita Sarkeesian! Misogyny alert!


Yeah, her "help" would be "to write better".

Rrrrrright...

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Re: The terrible sales of Marvel's female characters.

Postby Keb » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:16 am

How is that Captain Marvel book?

They DO have great female characters.

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