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[Amoebas]

Berate?

She says, "you're completely over your head aren't you?" That's it.

And Rick was obviously not aware that Hershel was a vet. At least he also seemed surprised when Hershel said it. I already went over it, and if you think you wouldn't have reacted AT ALL to a vet operating on your son (despite the circumstances), then I think you're the one with the hate filter.

Parents are generally irrationally overprotective of their children. Spend a day in a pediatrics ward or ask any pediatrician what the worst part of their job is. I bet you most say it's the parents.

You're trying to apply reason to a situation where it doesn't necessarily apply. Does she know they don't have much of a choice? Of course? Is she still going to be pissed about the fact that her son got shot? Absolutely. Again, that's parenting 101, and I see it every day.

Sheesh - are you related to the actress or something? Lori's a horrible, wife, an awful adulteress, a hideous mother and a total bitch. End of story.

[Doc Jon]

Sheesh - are you related to the actress or something? Lori's a horrible, wife, an awful adulteress, a hideous mother and a total bitch. End of story.

Nope. I've said I don't love the character, but it's the "fan's" bitching that I find hilarious. They hyper-analyze anything she does and nitpick it even when it makes perfect sense.

See? You have your mind made up. So anything she does is in the context of how you've painted her. I think she's just another character that has had good moments and bad and can look on those as such...

[Chris]

I even kind of agree with Jon, although I've kind of come around to the "Lori is a bitch" line of thought in the last couple eps, but I want to see how many pages he can keep this up for.

[ReturnoftheMack]

What you are missing Jon is that Lori is meant to be hated. It's been like this from day 1. The scene where she is whispering in Rick's ear isn't supposed to be viewed from a sympathetic point. She was hated in the comics. She's hated in the show. That's the point. Your view is the one that goes against the grain. We aren't nitpicking (well not all of us), we are following the show's narrative.

[Victorian Squid]

I think Amoebas comparison to Lady Macbeth was pretty accurate. Of course, that's all over now, nothing to do but wait for Lori to bite it.

[PDH]

You don't know that. All they know is that they are all infected. When you hear "infected", what exactly springs to mind? Now, they know that death definitely brings it about, but they don't know anything else.

And as far as defending Lori, it's not even that I like her, I'm not sure that people are meant to. But the overreaction in these threads is a little silly. People react to every line and every look with a weird fervor. ANd so far, other than the car incident, I don't see anyone being able to back up their hate. Except for she's a "crazy bitch" and all that. But aren't they all?

I started off sympathetic to Lori and defended her from some of the fan complaints. But as time went by it became harder and harder to do this and there came a point when I had to agree that she was the worst.

Right now, it's pretty clear that she's terrible. On balance, all things considered, this woman is nuts.

[PDH]

It's pretty clear that Shane had issues with Rick's leadership. He undermines him at every turn. He was the leader before Rick came along, and everyone turned to Rick, because he's the more natural leader. They would have had a showdown because Shane couldn't play second fiddle. I think that was fairly obvious.

That's my main issue with Shane. Does he have a point? Sometimes. But his primary motivation is not finding the best solution, it's undermining Rick. Those things occasionally coincide but Shane didn't fundamentally give a shit about that. He's like a lawyer, he doesn't want to be right, he wants to win. If the survival of the group came between him and Lori's ass, the group would be in serious trouble.

[misac]

I even kind of agree with Jon, although I've kind of come around to the "Lori is a bitch" line of thought in the last couple eps, but I want to see how many pages he can keep this up for.

He's bringing the Spiderrob.

[Doc Jon]

What you are missing Jon is that Lori is meant to be hated. It's been like this from day 1. The scene where she is whispering in Rick's ear isn't supposed to be viewed from a sympathetic point. She was hated in the comics. She's hated in the show. That's the point. Your view is the one that goes against the grain. We aren't nitpicking (well not all of us), we are following the show's narrative.

Ummm... I didn't miss that at all. I said it outright. I said that I didn't like Lori and that in terms of the narrative, I don't believe we are meant to.

That has nothing to do with the fact that people nitpick her every look.

For example, look at the people freaking out over her reaction to Rick telling her that he killed SHane. Then to hear the creators talk about it, it's partly because she blames herself, which makes perfect sense. SHe's not just pissed at Rick, but her complicity in what happened along with everything else.

But I didn't see one person even think that. Everyone jumped to, "what a stupid crazy bitch."

[ReturnoftheMack]

Ummm... I didn't miss that at all. I said it outright. I said that I didn't like Lori and that in terms of the narrative, I don't believe we are meant to.

That has nothing to do with the fact that people nitpick her every look.

For example, look at the people freaking out over her reaction to Rick telling her that he killed SHane. Then to hear the creators talk about it, it's partly because she blames herself, which makes perfect sense. SHe's not just pissed at Rick, but her complicity in what happened along with everything else.

But I didn't see one person even think that. Everyone jumped to, "what a stupid crazy bitch."

That's because that scene was poorly done if that is the reaction they were planning. Everybody thought she was mad at Rick because that's exactly what it looked like, especially since Carl was also mad at him. They made it look like Rick just lost his family.

[Doc Jon]

That's because that scene was poorly done if that is the reaction they were planning. Everybody thought she was mad at Rick because that's exactly what it looked like, especially since Carl was also mad at him. They made it look like Rick just lost his family.

Not everyone. Everyone here who already hated her.

Let's look at Daryl going off on Carol again, shall we? Was it silly of him? Sure it was. There's nothing she could have done to protect Sophia in that situation. It wasn't her fault at all. But Daryl was just expressing frustration at the situation and took it out on Carol. He's not used to someone caring for him, and that was part of it too.

If people hated him, it would have just been, "what a stupid redneck. That guy's just a piece of shit."

No one (except me ) even attempted to try and understand that maybe there was more to her reaction than just being mad that Rick killed Shane. It's easrier to just say she's a stupid crazy bitch, which is what everyone here chalked it up to...

[Grayson]

Let's look at Daryl going off on Carol again, shall we? Was it silly of him? Sure it was. There's nothing she could have done to protect Sophia in that situation. It wasn't her fault at all. But Daryl was just expressing frustration at the situation and took it out on Carol. He's not used to someone caring for him, and that was part of it too.

If people hated him, it would have just been, "what a stupid redneck. That guy's just a piece of shit."

The big difference between characters like Lori and Daryl is the fact that one of them remains a very polarizing, one dimensional character while the other has shown a decent amount of character growth and turned into a genuinely interesting character. The same with pretty much the rest of the cast of characters. Most of the characters on the Walking Dead have shown some type of character development while started out with a holier than
thou Queen Bee mentality and hasn't really deviated from that. She has shown no growth, no development. She is simply an unrepentant bitch.

Going back to the conversation between Lori and Andrea, you may be right, maybe Lori was resentful of the fact that she is in the house all day cooking and cleaning while Andrea gets to carry around a gun, hang out outdoors, and watch for zombies. However, why is it Andrea's responsibility to be in the house with the women? Why is it that a zombie apocalypse happens and suddenly everybody is forced back into a stereotypical gender role? Why didn't Queen Bee Lori go to Glen and tell him to help in the kitchen while she runs into town to get her own things from the pharmacy? Why didn't she ask Rick to watch Carl while she checked the perimeter. Never saw her telling T-Dog to do the laundry while she...well that's not a good example because we really don't have any idea what T-Dog was up too. The point is, there were several people living on that farm all season long and at any point in time Lori could have asked any of them to help out with the housework. Instead, we get a scene where she yells at Andrea for not doing her share of the women's work.

[Doc Jon]

The big difference between characters like Lori and Daryl is the fact that one of them remains a very polarizing, one dimensional character while the other has shown a decent amount of character growth and turned into a genuinely interesting character. The same with pretty much the rest of the cast of characters. Most of the characters on the Walking Dead have shown some type of character development while started out with a holier than
thou Queen Bee mentality and hasn't really deviated from that. She has shown no growth, no development. She is simply an unrepentant bitch.

Going back to the conversation between Lori and Andrea, you may be right, maybe Lori was resentful of the fact that she is in the house all day cooking and cleaning while Andrea gets to carry around a gun, hang out outdoors, and watch for zombies. However, why is it Andrea's responsibility to be in the house with the women? Why is it that a zombie apocalypse happens and suddenly everybody is forced back into a stereotypical gender role? Why didn't Queen Bee Lori go to Glen and tell him to help in the kitchen while she runs into town to get her own things from the pharmacy? Why didn't she ask Rick to watch Carl while she checked the perimeter. Never saw her telling T-Dog to do the laundry while she...well that's not a good example because we really don't have any idea what T-Dog was up too. The point is, there were several people living on that farm all season long and at any point in time Lori could have asked any of them to help out with the housework. Instead, we get a scene where she yells at Andrea for not doing her share of the women's work.

That's kind of silly. Lori has been anything but one dimensional. And she has also been anything but unrepentant. You can dislike her all you want, but those are not really traits the character possesses.

She has been torn for the better part of 2 seasons over the role SHane plays in the group, her guilt for being with him, the idea that he may be the biological father of her child, and his usefelness to the group. There's also the part where he's a possessive, crazy loon who tried to rape her. People just chalk it up to her being inconsistent, but it's all there, the struggle for the character.

Same with wanting (or not wanting) her children to live in that world. Despite the struggle, she has consistently come to the same decision, life.

And as far as roles, she has accepted her role with regards to the group. SHe doesn't claim that she is as capable as Rick or Glen in providing for them. But there is the fact that there were 4 women doing pretty much all the cooking and cleaning on the farm. Why do people HAVE to revert to those stereotypes? They don't, but even in the comics it's pretty established that those were the dynamics of the group.

I don't have to agree with Lori about Andrea's role to understand that the dynamic presented is realistic and would totally happen. Up until that point, Andrea's huge contribution was sitting on top of the RV and almost killing Daryl. Oh, and her suicide attempt. Oh, and being a bitch (which Lori called her out on in the woods and Andrea totally backed down from).

[ReturnoftheMack]

Ummm... I didn't miss that at all. I said it outright. I said that I didn't like Lori and that in terms of the narrative, I don't believe we are meant to.

That has nothing to do with the fact that people nitpick her every look.

For example, look at the people freaking out over her reaction to Rick telling her that he killed SHane. Then to hear the creators talk about it, it's partly because she blames herself, which makes perfect sense. SHe's not just pissed at Rick, but her complicity in what happened along with everything else.

But I didn't see one person even think that. Everyone jumped to, "what a stupid crazy bitch."

You make it sound like only the people on this board hate Lori. This isn't some crazy Outhouse misogyny that you are above. Do a quick Google search and you'll see.

Also, just because she partly blames herself, doesnt absolve her for her role in Shane's death.

Are there some nit picky things? Yes. This isn't one of them.

[Doc Jon]

You make it sound like only the people on this board hate Lori. This isn't some crazy Outhouse misogyny that you are above. Do a quick Google search and you'll see.

Also, just because she partly blames herself, doesnt absolve her for her role in Shane's death.

Are there some nit picky things? Yes. This isn't one of them.

I'm not taking on the internet, just the fools here.

And who said it absolved her? It partially explains her reaction, at her horror that she was complicit in the act. Just like Rick's anger at the group. Did he really kill his best friend for them? Fuck no, but he's just venting at their lack of appreciation for what he's done.

People saw Lori's reaction and chalked it up to her being a bitch. You can see it in the comments in this thread.

No one brought up that she may feel guilty.
Or worried about her unborn child.
Or that that are all infected.
Or that Carl put down Shane.
Or that they now had no supplies.
No fuel.
No place to stay.
Oh, and that Rick pretty much wanted to kill Shane.

Yes, that's nitpicky...