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The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby MrBlack » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:57 pm

Sanderson doesn't have nearly the eye for detail that Jordan did. Problem is, it was starting to eat the plot by book 8.

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby Lord Simian » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:18 pm

MrBlack wrote:Sanderson doesn't have nearly the eye for detail that Jordan did. Problem is, it was starting to eat the plot by book 8.


Correct. I'd say, right around book 6, he started to fall into a bit of a pattern:

50-75 pages of setup for this book
600 pages of detail and world-building
50 pages of action to resolve the book's conflict.


But in a good way. :)

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby MrBlack » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:00 pm

Well, the spoilers are starting to leak onto the web.

I was weak.

Not sure how much more I want to say...

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby Lord Simian » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:38 am

MrBlack wrote:Well, the spoilers are starting to leak onto the web.

I was weak.

Not sure how much more I want to say...


Well, that's my cue to stay outta this thread for a few weeks... :P

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby MrBlack » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:11 am

It's out tomorrow people!

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby MrBlack » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:04 pm

Finished it Tuesday night, although I'd like to give the latter half of the book a more in depth re-read.

Overall, I was quite satisfied. The ending was great, and perfect for what Jordan intended from the get-go. While I have some minor quibbles with how some scenes played out, and the lack of some POVs that I would like to have seen, the major story beats were spot on. Rand's conflict with the Dark One was very well done, and the last scene was perfect.

Below are some of my thoughts on the how the book ended. It does not contain any actual plot spoilers, but is more about the way in which the book ended. Still, if you really want to experience the book without knowing anything about how it resolves, read no further.

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand
A lot of people will deeply dislike how this book ends, not because of anything that happens, but because of what doesn't happen. Don't expect a drawn-out ending, a la, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, or even a "20 years later" ending like in the Harry Potter books. A lot of questions are going to remain unanswered, but thematically this fits well within the world that Jordan created. This isn't the ending, only an ending.

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby Rockman » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:15 pm

Okay so I did end up getting into the series. I'm on book seven right now.

I love it, very entertaining. Such a diverse world and really a plot that keeps shaking things up enough to keep you interested.

It's not perfect mind you, reading it through is annoying because you read the same explanation of the dream world several times in a row, or how the Aiel are or what have you. The kinds of things that are necessary when having a gap in time between volumes, but is a bit clunky when you read it all through. On the same note it's not as jarring when things started slowing down a bit in book 5 because you have the whole story there without interruption. I can understand some of the complaints I've read about his writing too, like the repetitions of Nynaeve tugging her braid, or Perrin and his axe, but these are the kinds of things real people would do and I think it adds to the book when you give characters habits that real people might have.

His women though :smt017 Is it possible that women get along with anyone in these books? :lol: You'd think the guy was a he-man woman hater or something.

Anyways some great moments in the books I'll put them in spoilers in case anyone else is reading it for the first time.

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-Perrin becoming Lord Goldeneyes was one of the most satisfying things in a book ever, my favorite even in the whole series

-Rand forcing the Aes Sedai to bow to him in book 6 was epic and very satisfactory

-Rand becoming Car-caran

-Mat's story has been awesome every since the third book, once he gets his luck based powers his story never drags once imo

-Nynaeve defeating Moghedien

And several others I can't think of right now.

I do think that Mazrim Taim is in fact Demodred (whatever his name is) or at least working for him. Do not trust that guy.

Do not think Moraine or Lanfear died in the doors, I think both of them are smart enough to know how to get out of the doorway and they will both turn up again. At least I hope so.


Mr. Black doesn't post as much anymore so he'll probably never see this though :cry:

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby Lord Simian » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:29 pm

Rockman wrote:Okay so I did end up getting into the series. I'm on book seven right now.

I love it, very entertaining. Such a diverse world and really a plot that keeps shaking things up enough to keep you interested.

It's not perfect mind you, reading it through is annoying because you read the same explanation of the dream world several times in a row, or how the Aiel are or what have you. The kinds of things that are necessary when having a gap in time between volumes, but is a bit clunky when you read it all through. On the same note it's not as jarring when things started slowing down a bit in book 5 because you have the whole story there without interruption. I can understand some of the complaints I've read about his writing too, like the repetitions of Nynaeve tugging her braid, or Perrin and his axe, but these are the kinds of things real people would do and I think it adds to the book when you give characters habits that real people might have.

His women though :smt017 Is it possible that women get along with anyone in these books? :lol: You'd think the guy was a he-man woman hater or something.

Anyways some great moments in the books I'll put them in spoilers in case anyone else is reading it for the first time.

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand
-Perrin becoming Lord Goldeneyes was one of the most satisfying things in a book ever, my favorite even in the whole series

-Rand forcing the Aes Sedai to bow to him in book 6 was epic and very satisfactory

-Rand becoming Car-caran

-Mat's story has been awesome every since the third book, once he gets his luck based powers his story never drags once imo

-Nynaeve defeating Moghedien

And several others I can't think of right now.

I do think that Mazrim Taim is in fact Demodred (whatever his name is) or at least working for him. Do not trust that guy.

Do not think Moraine or Lanfear died in the doors, I think both of them are smart enough to know how to get out of the doorway and they will both turn up again. At least I hope so.


Mr. Black doesn't post as much anymore so he'll probably never see this though :cry:


I bet he will! You've shined the BlackSignal...

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby MrBlack » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:26 pm

It took a while, but I am here!

I don't want to say too much about the plot at this point in your reading. I will say that the books begin to drag a bit up until the last book Jordan wrote. Sanderson picks up the pace considerably, but his writing style is pretty different. I liked it for the most part, but there are some things in the last book that Jordan would have done considerably better.

As for his characters, I always thought that Jordan's one big weakness was his characterization. His male characters are largely interchangeable, and his female characters are nearly identical. Apparently, he based all the male characters on himself, and the female characters on his wife. I never met Jordan, but I did meet Harriet a couple of years back, and she WAS Nyneave and Elayne and everyone else. Super friendly to boot.

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby habitual » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:31 am

I've been biting my tongue on this for quite awhile just because I'm happy the series was actually finished, but, I hated the last book.

Between the mistakes and the poor character writing I'm at a loss.

I'll post a more comprehensive review soon.

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby Rockman » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:10 am

MrBlack wrote:It took a while, but I am here!

I don't want to say too much about the plot at this point in your reading. I will say that the books begin to drag a bit up until the last book Jordan wrote. Sanderson picks up the pace considerably, but his writing style is pretty different. I liked it for the most part, but there are some things in the last book that Jordan would have done considerably better.

As for his characters, I always thought that Jordan's one big weakness was his characterization. His male characters are largely interchangeable, and his female characters are nearly identical. Apparently, he based all the male characters on himself, and the female characters on his wife. I never met Jordan, but I did meet Harriet a couple of years back, and she WAS Nyneave and Elayne and everyone else. Super friendly to boot.


Just started the 8th book, I can see that it has slowed down a bit considering that it has taken 2 books for Elayne and Nynaeve to get the bowl of winds and they still haven't used it yet :lol: But reading it straight through has helped with that a bit. I'm told the lowest in the series is book 10 and basically just to read the wikipedia synopsis rather than the actual book. :lol:

Actually I kind of disagree with the characterization. It's not the greatest, but I feel like he's set up unique characters for the Ta'veren and the 3-4 main ladies. It's not the greatest characterization in the world, but I can set specific characteristics of each character in my mind's eye when I'm reading.

One of the things I'm sure everyone has noticed when reading is the endings that come out of nowhere. Book 7 goes 50 chapters without Rand even mentioning Sammael or his plans with the army, his story deals with him reasserting himself in Cairhein and setting Perrin off after the profit. Then in the last chapter, out of nowhere the Sammael plan comes back up and he takes care of it in a single chapter.

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby Rockman » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:52 am

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

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Re: The Wheel of Time - A Memory of Light

Postby MrBlack » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:04 pm

habitual wrote:I've been biting my tongue on this for quite awhile just because I'm happy the series was actually finished, but, I hated the last book.

Between the mistakes and the poor character writing I'm at a loss.

I'll post a more comprehensive review soon.

Hab

Given some space, there are a lot of things I didn't like about the book. Mat's inexplicable return to being a rogue, the swordfights with Demandred, the wildly inaccurate power levels of the channelers, and the inaccuracies in the distances between some areas really bugged me. I actually liked how Sanderson wrote Mat in the previous two books, but I didn't like him in this one, especially his last minute heroics at the end of the book (both Mat and Perrin's final acts seemed tagged on after someone remembered that the other two ta'varen were supposed to be with Rand at the Last Battle).

To be honest, I wasn't happy with a lot of the book. The conflict at the Fields of Merrilor was contrived, the Last Battle itself was poorly put together (Jordan was MUCH better at writing big battle than Sanderson), and Mat's plot was terrible. That said, I did enjoy what was done with Demandred (aside from how he was taken out), Perrin's battle with Slayer was enjoyable (although not his encounters with Lanfear), and Rand's confrontation with the Dark One was very well done.

To be honest, I just wanted a satisfactory conclusion to the Dragon/Dark One conflict, and I got it, so I'm relatively happy with the book even now. I'll probably give the whole series a read through in the next few years, assuming I can make it through the Nynaeve/Elayne sections, and we'll see how it holds up.

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