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[achilles]

Thing is, there's a difference between criminalizing the thought, and criminalizing the actions that come from the thought.
I agree, you can hate folks all you want. But not carry out violence to express it and more so the violent expression that results in a death.
Yes, all groups should be treated equal in this, but ignoring one because of others is still wrong.

Hate crimes ARE criminalizing the thought. Murder in this case would criminalize the action. Or assault, where the victim doesn't die. Like I said, there are many reasons to dislike hate crimes laws, and violation of equal protection is only one of them.

Putting it another way, there is no need for hate crimes legislation; everything they cover is already covered by laws on the books like murder. And the hate crimes legislation themselves are a violation of the Constitution in many ways, and in themselves in their unequal enforcement form a kind of hate crime.

[Benderbrau]

Every witness has said that they heard the kid screaming for help. 911 told the shooter to not approach him. The kid was what a good 100 lbs lighter than the guy?? The police said they let the shooter go because he had blood on his clothes/head. yeah when you shoot someone you tend to get blood on you. Yet if they thought he had a head injury, why did they not get him checked out by a doctor??

And yet no one did. God this country needs to grow some balls.

[e_galston]

And yet no one did. God this country needs to grow some balls.

i think by the time anyone could have done anything it was too late, cause they heard him screaming and then the gun shot and silence..

[Psivage]

And yet no one did. God this country needs to grow some balls.

That what gets me as well. At least go out a look what the hell is happening.

[Snug]

The FOX affiliate in Tampa is reporting that a witness who gave a statement to police the night of the incident says it was "the guy in the red sweater" (Zimmerman) who was on his back on the ground screaming for help, and that "the guy in the sweatshirt" was on top of him pounding the shit out of him.

Since he apparently had grass stains and mud on the back of his red sweater, that makes the fact that no arrest was made that night more understandable.

In any case, the witness told "the guy in the sweatshirt" to knock it off and that he was going to call 911. So somebody cared enough to go outside to see what was up and then go in and call the cops. I note that for all of you who despair of the modern world because no one helped a hollering man in distress.

[Psivage]

The FOX affiliate in Tampa is reporting that a witness who gave a statement to police the night of the incident says it was "the guy in the red sweater" (Zimmerman) who was on his back on the ground screaming for help, and that "the guy in the sweatshirt" was on top of him pounding the shit out of him.

Since he apparently had grass stains and mud on the back of his red sweater, that makes the fact that no arrest was made that night more understandable.

In any case, the witness told "the guy in the sweatshirt" to knock it off and that he was going to call 911. So somebody cared enough to go outside to see what was up and then go in and call the cops. I note that for all of you who despair of the modern world because no one helped a hollering man in distress.

Fox, yeah that is a reliable source of info.

But I would like to know what they were wearing cause, if that was true, it could change e everything.

Also I just learn the Black Panther offered a 10,000 dollar for Zimmerman. Not sure why.

They might have arrest him for safety.

Off subject wonder how much skittles is selling these days.

[Cat-Scratch]

Fox, yeah that is a reliable source of info.

But I would like to know what they were wearing cause, if that was true, it could change e everything.

Also I just learn the Black Panther offered a 10,000 dollar for Zimmerman. Not sure why.

They might have arrest him for safety.

Off subject wonder how much skittles is selling these days.

$1.29 can. at the local convenience store here.

[Cat-Scratch]

The FOX affiliate in Tampa is reporting that a witness who gave a statement to police the night of the incident says it was "the guy in the red sweater" (Zimmerman) who was on his back on the ground screaming for help, and that "the guy in the sweatshirt" was on top of him pounding the shit out of him.

Since he apparently had grass stains and mud on the back of his red sweater, that makes the fact that no arrest was made that night more understandable.

In any case, the witness told "the guy in the sweatshirt" to knock it off and that he was going to call 911. So somebody cared enough to go outside to see what was up and then go in and call the cops. I note that for all of you who despair of the modern world because no one helped a hollering man in distress.

How does this explain the bullet in the kid's back?

[Stephen Day]

How does this explain the bullet in the kid's back?

Magic bullet?

[Cat-Scratch]

Magic bullet?

It would have to be.

Plus, after hearing a 911 call from that neighborhood... Zimmerman screams like a kid then too.

[Snug]

How does this explain the bullet in the kid's back?

I did not realize the autopsy report or police forensics had been released, and indicate he was shot in the back. Link, please? The witness only said that when he looked back out after calling 911, he was lying on his back in the grass, not moving. So I have no information about entry and exit wounds, etc. Sure would like some, though. Almost nobody looks stylish carrying a torch and wielding a pitchfork.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

I do find it amusing that media reports are very happy to point out that the victim was black, and the killer a "white Hispanic". So many other times, reports refer only to "youths".

[Snug]

I do find it amusing that media reports are very happy to point out that the victim was black, and the killer a "white Hispanic". So many other times, reports refer only to "youths".

If it turns out that the "victim" was a victim of nothing more than being stupid enough to try to pound the living shit out of a chubby white guy in a state that has strong self-defense laws and lots of people carrying guns, do we get to stop calling him a "victim"?

[habitual]

If it turns out that the "victim" was a victim of nothing more than being stupid enough to try to pound the living shit out of a chubby white guy in a state that has strong self-defense laws and lots of people carrying guns, do we get to stop calling him a "victim"?

The secret witness thing seems to be a bit dubious.

Police Chiefs don't step aside after votes of no confidence if the facts are that cut and dried.

Also the people that drafted the law are trying to get in front of this and say it shouldn't be applicable to Zimmerman's defense.

This thing is a long way from being over.

Hab

[Cat-Scratch]

I did not realize the autopsy report or police forensics had been released, and indicate he was shot in the back. Link, please? The witness only said that when he looked back out after calling 911, he was lying on his back in the grass, not moving. So I have no information about entry and exit wounds, etc. Sure would like some, though. Almost nobody looks stylish carrying a torch and wielding a pitchfork.

When I first heard of this, it was on a local radio station where it was reported that he had been shot in the back while fleeing.

But according to these two links I've looked up, he was shot in the chest.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/19/tra ... or-racism/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

On that same radio station, they reported that there were several 911 calls, played the Zimmerman call as well as a neighbor, a woman, who did not go out and refused for fear as she stated in the call. The screams could be heard in that call as well as one clear gunshot and more noisy following.