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by **CountD** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:44 pm

spidertour02 wrote:
You ever been around somebody with terminal cancer? Having to suffer to no end is pointless, and if they want to die, I don't think it's anybody's right to tell them no.

It's hell watching someone suffer from terminal cancer. that's it, really. hell.

until you are in that hell or around it 24/7 for an extended period, all other stuff goes out the window.

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:55 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Or they could understand that he chose to end his life on his own terms instead of waiting to suffer and languish in the medical system...

Fortunately for Steve Jobs' family, he faced his death like a man. Jobs didn't want to "languish" either, so he opted out of conventional treatment, made damn sure his affairs were in order and fought until the bitter end.

Too bad tony was so fucking squeamish about his own mortality.

KHUXFORD wrote:
This.

That.

If it were me, I'd have wanted to talk to my family and spend some time before making the plunge, but don't blame him for dealing with it how he wanted to.

I'm sure tony had that conversation and I'm equally sure they gave him they're complete blessing. Then again, why all the suicide notes in his car? I guess he didn't have that conversation after all. Now his latest wife and their two young sons are left alone in this world but I'm sure they understand.

In fact I bet they're relieved that their father would rather not fight for every last moment he could have with them because he couldn't cope with the inevitable.

What An Hero!

by **CountD** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:02 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
Fortunately for Steve Jobs' family, he faced his death like a man. Jobs didn't want to "languish" either, so he opted out of conventional treatment, made damn sure his affairs were in order and fought until the bitter end.

Too bad tony was so fucking squeamish about his own mortality.

That.

I'm sure tony had that conversation and I'm equally sure they gave him they're complete blessing. Then again, why all the suicide notes in his car? I guess he didn't have that conversation after all. Now his latest wife and their two young sons are left alone in this world but I'm sure they understand.

In fact I bet they're relieved that their father would rather not fight for every last moment he could have with them because he couldn't cope with the inevitable.

What *An Hero!

good choice , bad choice, it should be a person's choice.

it's also unseemly to call the recently deceased a coward.

also *A hero, not An Hero.

by **KHUXFORD** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:05 pm

CountD wrote:
good choice , bad choice, it should be a person's choice.

it's also unseemly to call the recently deceased a coward.

also *A hero, not An Hero.

Yeah, in addition to it being odd to include that "left alone in this world" when that part was decided for everyone, whether he jumped or not.

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:23 pm

spidertour02 wrote:
You ever been around somebody with terminal cancer? Having to suffer to no end is pointless, and if they want to die, I don't think it's anybody's right to tell them no.

I sure have and they inspired me how much they wanted to squeeze every last moment out of life that they could before death claimed them. Was your personal experience with someone who suffered terminal illness different?

As far as people's rights go, I have the right to be critical of other's actions. Do you think that's something best relegated to Corporate sponsored institutions like government, education and media?

by **habitual** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:28 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
True Romance is my #1 favorite movie.

Racist.

Hab

by **habitual** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:30 pm

The Outhouse is starting to slip.

It took 9 whole posts for us to demonstrate that we have no class.

Hab

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
I sure have and they inspired me how much they wanted to squeeze every last moment out of life that they could before death claimed them. Was your personal experience with someone who suffered terminal illness different?

As far as people's rights go, I have the right to be critical of other's actions. Do you think that's something best relegated to Corporate sponsored institutions like government, education and media?

Yes.

/givingyouwhatyouwant'd

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:40 pm

CountD wrote:
good choice , bad choice, it should be a person's choice.

Not when they have responsibilities, like twin boys and a young wife. There's no way that some suicide notes are going to comfort them as much as facing the disease with their father. It wasn't tony's life anymore, he is an extension of his family but I realize Western Civ preaches selfishness so how can we blame tony, rite? Not to mention suffering, oh noes, we can't have discomfort in Western Civ, that's just not done.

Steve Jobs was a class act, all the way.

it's also unseemly to call the recently deceased a coward.

Says who? Some puritan fuckwads who seek to dictate the conduct of other's? I guess you don't enjoy the Darwin Awards either.

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:42 pm

Ntikrst wrote:Says who? Some puritan fuckwads who seek to dictate the conduct of other's? I guess you don't enjoy the Darwin Awards either.

by **habitual** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:44 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
Not when they have responsibilities, like twin boys and a young wife. There's no way that some suicide notes are going to comfort them as much as facing the disease with their father. It wasn't tony's life anymore, he is an extension of his family but I realize Western Civ preaches selfishness so how can we blame tony, rite? Not to mention suffering, oh noes, we can't have discomfort in Western Civ, that's just not done.

Steve Jobs was a class act, all the way.

Says who? Some puritan fuckwads who seek to dictate the conduct of other's? I guess you don't enjoy the Darwin Awards either.

Is it Irony Day and I just don't know it?

Also you don't know shit about Steve Jobs. If he hadn't married some vegan fucktard he'd probably still be alive.

Hab

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:49 pm

habitual wrote:
Is it Irony Day and I just don't know it?

Also you don't know shit about Steve Jobs. If he hadn't married some vegan fucktard he'd probably still be alive.

Hab

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:54 pm

KHUXFORD wrote:
Yeah, in addition to it being odd to include that "left alone in this world" when that part was decided for everyone, whether he jumped or not.

Because nothing says "I loved you" like a suicide note...

Yes it was an inevitable transition and as a father, tony handled it in the most responsible manner possible by leaving notes behind in the fucking car. Who needs gradual progression? Certainly not young kids, I mean they always process things instantly and never leave things unsaid...

:smt011

by **Ntikrst** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:07 pm

habitual wrote:
Is it Irony Day and I just don't know it?

Also you don't know shit about Steve Jobs. If he hadn't married some vegan fucktard he'd probably still be alive.

Hab

Have "They" cured pancreatic cancer recently? I thought it still had a poor prognosis with a high mortality rate...

Then my follow up question would be, why is tony "an hero" for meeting his end on his terms but Jobs is lacking because he chose to do the same, meet his end on his own terms?

WTF,

Hab?

by **habitual** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:08 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
Have "They" cured pancreatic cancer recently? I thought it still had a poor prognosis with a high mortality rate...

Then my follow up question would be, why is tony "an hero" for meeting his end on his terms but Jobs is lacking because he chose to do the same, meet his end on his terms?

WTF,

Hab?

If Jobs had actual medical treatment instead of some hippy alternate medicine he'd still be alive.

He just committed suicide a hell of a lot more slowly than Tony Scott.

Hab