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Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:18 pm

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I was referring to mine or anyone for that matter.
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Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:20 pm

I don't have kids so I am not worried about brainwashing

I just want to be able to enjoy the movie as entertainment. I don't want to be lectured to. i guess that's what i am talking about.

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Postby Jack Burton » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:22 pm

Honestly the movie is fantastic and really it's social message is there but it's not that strong. What pushes the movie forward is the love story between Eve and Wall-E. I honestly can't remember a sweeter love story in a movie than this one.

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Postby The Juan Percenter » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:22 pm

Spiderrob wrote:I just want to be able to enjoy the movie as entertainment. I don't want to be lectured to. i guess that's what i am talking about.


Good thing you were not at the Pearl Jam concert at MSG last week :D

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Postby thefourthman » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:26 pm

It is a beautiful movie. It is very well made, I'm not sure how I feel it stacks up to the other pixar Movies... INcredibles and Ratatouille are far and away my favorites. This one is darker so it will never be my favorite, but after several viewings, I may determine that it is better then those two, it certainly has the potential.

It is a beautiful and captivating movie. I like that it is not talky. It is a little less subversive in it's message then the other films. However, it makes up for that with innovative camera angles and techniques. The emulation of I am Legend in the beginning was startling and impressive.

The thing that stands out to me about this movie is its sincere sense of wonder, from Wall-e's unique perspective of the world and his ability to make others empathize with him to the thrill the few humans who are turned away from their scheduled lives feel in looking out the port windows or the excitement they feel in diving in a swimming pool.

While I say it is dark (and it is, the Earth has been covered in trash and the government has established a rather exhustive fantasy world to keep people from remembering their home enforced by a vicious and Hal2000 like Autopilot), it is the end uplifting in it's message of hope and the idea of wonder itself. It is a unique achievement in animated film making. It will probably be seen as a touchstone of the art form going forward.

I am extremely happy in its success and hope that it does have some legs as I have a feeling that unlike other pixar films, this one will play infinitely better on the big screen.

The short "Presto" was a comedic delight surpassing all of Pixar's previous shorts in tone and structure. It was honestly hilarious and owed as much to Looney Tunes as any other cartoon short ever made has to. It's homage and innovation on those techniques made it very enjoyable.

Of all the movies I have seen this summer, this one gets my highest recommendation.

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Postby rdrsfn82 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:27 pm

Spiderrob wrote:I don't have kids so I am not worried about brainwashing

I just want to be able to enjoy the movie as entertainment. I don't want to be lectured to. i guess that's what i am talking about.


If you think Bambi or The Iron Giant is preachy you won't like it. If those movies strike you as alright then you will be fine. It's not overbearing like Happy Feet or Bee Movie (both of which I liked, even if they were preachy).
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Postby CountD » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:28 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:Then you're doing yourself a disservice because it is none of the things you just called it.


You're probably the same person who recommended Finding Nemo to me.

I will see it....on cable or burned.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:29 pm

rdrsfn82 wrote:If you think Bambi or The Iron Giant is preachy you won't like it. If those movies strike you as alright then you will be fine. It's not overbearing like Happy Feet or Bee Movie (both of which I liked, even if they were preachy).


I liked Bambi

I liked Bee Movie.

I liked Happy Feet until he swam away. In the glass case got a bit much.

I never saw Iron Giant.

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Postby thefourthman » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:30 pm

Spiderrob wrote:I don't have kids so I am not worried about brainwashing

I just want to be able to enjoy the movie as entertainment. I don't want to be lectured to. i guess that's what i am talking about.
It's not a lecture, it is a set dressing... if there are people saying it is preachy, it is because they spent too much time dwelling on the set dressing then the plot and character development. IT's message is anything but subversive, but it is a key component of the plot. It doesn't really work as a cautionary tale as much as it does some kind of crazy worst case scenario, I found the obvious references to science fiction pictures (from Shrot Circuit to 2001 to Battlestar Galactica) to be more intrusive then the underlying message. In fact, I would say it is just as preachy as the original Battlestar show. It lays it down as the reason this happening and then you are allowed to dwell on that at your own discretion.

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Postby thefourthman » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:31 pm

Spiderrob wrote:I liked Bambi

I liked Bee Movie.

I liked Happy Feet until he swam away. In the glass case got a bit much.

I never saw Iron Giant.

It is as preachy as Bambi and less so then Happy Feet or Bee Movie, I think you will be fine.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:31 pm

My pixar movies would be

Toy Story
Toy Story II
Monsters Inc.
Incredibles
Finding Nemo
Bugs Life
Ratatouille
Cars.

Cars was the weakest I thought.

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Postby rdrsfn82 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:33 pm

CountD wrote:You're probably the same person who recommended Finding Nemo to me.

I will see it....on cable or burned.


If you don't like family friendly animated movies you won't like this movie. IF Nemo, Incredibles, The Iron Giant, and stuff like that isn't your cup of tea I wouldn't suggest watching this movie.

I strongly recommend the short Presto that plays at the beginning though. It's awesome.
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Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:34 pm

CountD wrote:You're probably the same person who recommended Finding Nemo to me.

I will see it....on cable or burned.


Probably not since I didn't see that movie till it was on DVD and that movie isn't brilliant it's just straight up adorable.
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Postby rdrsfn82 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:35 pm

Spiderrob wrote:I liked Bambi

I liked Bee Movie.

I liked Happy Feet until he swam away. In the glass case got a bit much.

I never saw Iron Giant.


First you should go rent The Iron Giant. It's a wonderful movie. Plus it has a giant robot and Superman plays a key role. Go watch it.

As for Wall-E if you liked all of those then you will enjoy it and it won't be too preachy or anything. Like I said it's not nearly as much as Bee Movie and you liked that.
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Postby thefourthman » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:35 pm

Spiderrob wrote:My pixar movies would be

Toy Story
Toy Story II
Monsters Inc.
Incredibles
Finding Nemo
Bugs Life
Ratatouille
Cars.

Cars was the weakest I thought.

Mine are in this order

Incredibles/Ratatouille (I am a former Chef there was a certain bit of sentimentality for the movie)
Finding Nemo
Toy Story II
Monsters, Inc
Toy Story
Bug's Life
Cars

I agree Cars was weak, mostly because of it's unoriginal premise. I don't know where Wall-E fits into that yet, I have seen all of these movies numerous times and it is still a chore to cay this one is better then that one, it is not a favorite like Incredibles or Ratatouille, but I think it is a better movie.

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