oogyboy wrote:I've only seen the movie, which I didn't care for, and decided I didn't need to waste my time or money on the book.
The movie just seems inspired
by the book, as it deviates a LOT after the initial setup (maybe the first 2 issues?). It'd be like not wanting to read Superman if they made the movie with Lex as a government agent, Superman not being able to fly and fighting a giant mechanical spider.
Cat-Scratch wrote:Yeah, ones from the mainstream MU. It's nice if they had even a remote semblance to the originals.
It's a seperate universe. If he wanted to, he could make them all villains. Who cares. That's what made the Ultimate U. special early on. It was fresh, and anyone could be anything. Ultimatizations were interesting.
Now it feels just like the 616, and seems pointless to me.
That's what I liked about it originally. Wolverine hooking up with Jean. Cyclops joining the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Storm and Beast getting together. Etc.
But then they took some of the originality out of it and made it too similar to the 616, IMO.
DonDaddyD wrote:Civil War, for me suffered because it followed Ultimates 1&2 and for me was very similar.
From what I've heard, Millar originally intended Civil War to take place in the Ultimate Universe, which might have something to do with that.
thefourthman wrote:I think he did an okay job explaining, however, having recently read the jms stuff I had not read, there was not enough history with Stark to truly make it believable. If they had introduced Stark into the storyline, even a year earlier, it would have been more believable that Stark had Peter's trust and would listen to his argument and act on it.
Plus the way it was done allowed Back in Black to happen. The press conference was one of my absolute favorite moments in comics since I came back. I can still remember JJ falling out. It was the Press conference that didn't make any sense. Him registering and unmasking for the government made sense and eventually could have lead to a Back in Black type situation. The Press Conference was a mechanism to allow that story to progress rapidly as opposed to more organically. JMS's run reads like event after event with no normality for Spidey.
I do not think his unmasking made any sense given Spider-man's history.
Gwen was killed because Norman Osborn knew his identity, Mary Jane was targeted by Venom because he knew Pete's identity. I do not think he would ever publically unmask if there was ever a chance that a villain could find his loved ones and kill them or attack them again.
Also I thought the whole Jameson aspect of it was horribly done. I feel that Jameson despite all his hatred of Spider-man, all his hard headed ways towards Peter over the years was always like a kind of surrogate father to Pete. I thought that he should have been upset with himself because he had caused this kid so much grief over the years.
Yeah, while the press conference made for an interesting moment (and got folks talking, which may have sold more books), it just didn't make sense to me. After all the folks that have gotten hurt because they were close to Spider-Man (Gwen got killed, MJ's been attacked/gone after TONS of times, the Daily Bugle's been attacked, etc.), it's just bizarre. Living in Avengers Tower would keep MJ and Aunt May safe, but what about everyone else?
Besides, how does "register and tell the government who you are" translate to "hold a press conference and tell the world"? I'd MUCH prefer something like what was suggested earlier, Norman Osborn getting ahold of that info and using it to unleash hell.