Herald wrote:The lovely economy that Dubya left for Obama to deal with. (Funny how Republicans love to forget that they WERE the ones in power when the bad economy got started.) No one can stop a full-tilt runaway train immediately, you know; it takes time.
Funny how Obama and the Dems don't mention he hasn't done anything to fix the economy. That would be the one largely fucked up BTW by the Dems, not the Republicans. Who held the actual power for the last part of the Lesser Bush Presidency---that is both houses of Congress. And who were critical in passing the laws that sparked the economic collapse in the first place, the laws that encouraged, in fact mandated, the sort of mortgage lending that led to the real estate bubble the triggered the collapse when it burst. And yes, Obama himself voted for some of those laws as a Senator.
And the Republicans BTW largely cave to Obama on everything he wants in the end. So they're not really sacrificing anything. Nor are they obligated to just give him what he wants on the grounds that "they" are the ones endangering the country. After all, it takes two to play that game. Obama and the Dems could have backed down at any time as well, but they never did.
The Republicans HAD to, for example, agree to raise the debt ceiling -- which they did only AFTER the deadline passed, I might add, not in any sort of timely manner. If they didn't, it would plunge the American economy and the world economy with it into a major downfall. It wasn't a matter of "caving to Obama" as if they were doing him a big favor.
Frankly, I find it all-too revealing that you and too many Republicans paint such actions as largely about "caving to Obama" -- some kind of capitulation, a loss of face or territory -- rather than being about serving the best interests of their state and their country. (You know, the job they were elected to do
.) That attitude of any compromise or support being equivalent to "helping out the enemy" is a -- if not THE -- major problem nowadays. When the government is at war with itself, afraid to come to any across-the-aisle agreement because "GASP! Somebody ELSE besides US just MIGHT look good if I sign on to this!
", it's no wonder that nobody in the government can get anything done.
And thus, it's also no wonder that much of the American public don't care about politics. The people in the government seem little interested in serving them, and mostly concerned with holding on to power, if not grabbing more. And DEFINITELY making sure that the other side looks as bad as possible while doing so. It's like a popularity contest amongst high schoolers, with all the sophomoric aura that implies. Pitiful. Problem is, this ain't high school; the stakes our government operates on are far too high for this kind of adolescent preening.
On that note, I think it's time I left this thread. Like the government's debates, this, too, will come to little agreement on anything of measure, with everyone largely just opposing ANYthing the other side says, ad infinitum. It's why the "Which way did I vote on war 10 years ago? I'm voting the OTHER way, now!" joke is so apt. It doesn't matter what the proposal is; the only concern is who's making the proposal. "If I don't like you, then I don't care how good your idea sounds, I'm against it!!" It's a horribly superficial attitude to take.
That sort of thing gets tiresome to me after awhile when the "professionals" do it, so honestly, the idea of watching you guys do it -- much less participating in it -- sounds even less palatable.[/quote]
What I find funny, Herald, is that first of all, you call me a Republican. I'm not, as I've stated. I find little to like with them. But also, you're guilty of what you accuse me and Republicans of---blaming it on the other guy. At any time, I'll point out, Obama and the Dems could have given the Republicans at least some of what they wanted, and probably even stopped a threat of a government shut-down.
But no, Obama had to play his "I won" thing. As did the Congressional Dems. They simply don't negotiate at all with the Republicans. Over things like cutting spending, which is pretty vital if you want a country in a couple of decades. Or at least one that doesn't resemble some third world basket case.
Achilles is the kind of evil that hollows out a volcano for a lair, and sends killer robots after his enemies.---Lord Simian