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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:25 am

Spektre wrote:
Yep, I see Quex-Ul strangle Zod to death. That was easy.


Why are his hands still moving?

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:29 am

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All you see there is the attempted murder of Zod by Quex-Ul. Zod is still alive and kicking(literally) until the radiation kills them both.
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby Spektre » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:30 am

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Why are his hands still moving?


Because, as shown in this and the previous panel, he is being shaken violently by Quex-Ul.
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:32 am

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Because, as shown in this and the previous panel, he is being shaken violently by Quex-Ul.


His face is emoting, his hands are still moving and his legs are kicking in the last panel because he is still alive.

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby Spektre » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:35 am

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His face is emoting, his hands are still moving and his legs are kicking in the last panel because he is still alive.

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His face is twisted in a death stare as his limp body continues to be shaken by the murderer Quex-Ul. Notice how his hand that was tightly clutching Zod has fallen limp.
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:35 am

Across all media, Superman's body count is at least 16, not including henchmen he refused to save.

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:37 am

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His face is twisted in a death stare as his limp body continues to be shaken by the murderer Quex-Ul. Notice how his hand that was tightly clutching Zod has fallen limp.


Nope those two little lines indicate movement. He's not dead yet, Jim, the kryptonite finished him and Quex off. Superman killed three villains there just like he did in Lester's cut of Superman II.

It's practically tradition to kill Zod.

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby Spektre » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:41 am

Nope the lines represent Zod's body being shaken. After all, how long would it take for one Kryptonian to break another Kryptonian's neck?



Hmm about 0.5 seconds it seems.
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:43 am

Spektre wrote:Nope the lines represent Zod's body being shaken. After all, how long would it take for one Kryptonian to break another Kryptonian's neck?


Quex-Ul can't break his neck because he's dying of kryptonite poisoning, that's why Zod is still kicking and clutching Q's other arm while his eyes are still rolling. It's close but no cigar.
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Zod lives until we don't see him anymore. Why do you think Superman's crying, trash on the moon?
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby Spektre » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:48 am

Zod's as dead as the New52's sales numbers.
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:50 am

Spektre wrote:Zod's as dead as the New52's sales numbers.


Not according to Mark Waid, so that means you're wrong and you're bullshit song and dance comes to an end.

Have a nice trip. :smt006

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby Spektre » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:59 am

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Not according to Mark Waid, so that means you're wrong and you're bullshit song and dance comes to an end.

Have a nice trip. :smt006


LOL, Well if Mark Waid says it.

We see Q kill Zod on panel AFTER HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO IT.

Let me know when you come back to reality.
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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:00 am

Spektre wrote:
LOL, Well if Mark Waid says it.

We see him Q kill Zod on panel AFTER HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO IT.


We only see Q's attempt at murder before the kryptonite poisons them and he fails just as hard as you do.

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Do you value yourself so highly to consider yourself Waid's peer? Aren't you expecting us to accept what you claim just because YOU said so? :smt005

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby Spektre » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:12 am

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We only see Q's attempt at murder before the kryptonite poisons them and he fails just as hard as you do.

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Do you value yourself so highly to consider yourself Waid's peer? Aren't you expecting us to accept what you claim just because YOU said so? :smt005


No. I am expecting you to have the intellectual capacity to move above group thought. People aren't homogenous. You can agree with them on some things and not on others.

I am expecting you to accept what is shown on the page. Quex-Ul killing Zod.

And I seem to remember someone stating...

Thank Zod Waid is never going to write a Superman story again, his love affair with the Silver Age eunuch is worse than Morrison's.

For all his extensive knowledge of all things Superman, it seems like he's completely ignorant of the Golden Age, Fleischer cartoons, Adventures of Superman with George Reeves, or John Byrne's unsurpassed revamp of the character post CoIE.

Now...who is claiming they are Waid's superior again?

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Re: When a retcon isn't a bad thing.

Postby The Beast » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:25 am

Spektre wrote:
No. I am expecting you to have the intellectual capacity to move above group thought. People aren't homogenous. You can agree with them on some things and not on others.

I am expecting you to accept what is shown on the page.


I am; the attempted murder of Zod by Quex-Ul during the execution conducted by Superman.

Now...who is claiming they are Waid's superior again?


I'm a cartoonist, Mark Waid will never draw as well as I can and he'll never publish his own graphic novels. He's a better writer, for now, but I'm young and hungry.

You have no artistic qualifications, you fucking layman, so you don't get to look Waid in the eye and contradict him.

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