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So who's getting Obamacare?

What will you be doing once Obamacare takes effect?

I will be keeping my current plan.
24
65%
I will be signing up for a new plan under Obamacare.
6
16%
I will be losing my insurance.
1
3%
I don't have insurance now and will continue to not have it.
3
8%
I am a US Senator or major corporation so I am exempt.
3
8%
  Total votes : 37

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Thunderstorm

Not a Kardashian

Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:28 pm

Aren't we already broke?

Nobama

Postby Nobama » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:45 pm

Thunderstorm wrote:Aren't we already broke?

Quit making sense

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:50 pm

Thunderstorm wrote:Aren't we already broke?



That debt ceiling just keeps going higher and higher.



Just replace "love" with "debt" in that song.
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Thunderstorm

Not a Kardashian

Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:29 pm

We have a lot that's pushing us into debt without Obamacare. This won't help, but if we lowered healthcare costs it wouldn't be SO bad.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:55 pm

Thunderstorm wrote:We have a lot that's pushing us into debt without Obamacare. This won't help, but if we lowered healthcare costs it wouldn't be SO bad.


The real thing is that America has to accept that the healthcare is going to be a hit on the wallet for the first few years period. BUT with the messed version, the hit is going to be worse then it should be.

A badly run/established universal healthcare program could be the dinner mint to your Mr. Cleasoap of debt.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:13 pm

Thunderstorm wrote:Aren't we already broke?


No. What people don't understand is that debt isn't necessarily a bad thing like if an individual owns money.

The fact is that our debt to GDP ratio is still very low compared to other countries.

Does that mean we shouldn't be careful and keep spending? Of course not.

But things aren't as dire as people try to make them out to be.

Read this for a better understanding: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opini ... .html?_r=0
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Thunderstorm

Not a Kardashian

Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:53 pm

Nothing's ever as bad as it's made to be. Still, I think there's several things hurting us as a country now.
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Spektre

rubber spoon

Postby Spektre » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:19 am

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
No. What people don't understand is that debt isn't necessarily a bad thing like if an individual owns money.

The fact is that our debt to GDP ratio is still very low compared to other countries.

Does that mean we shouldn't be careful and keep spending? Of course not.

But things aren't as dire as people try to make them out to be.

Read this for a better understanding: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opini ... .html?_r=0


Read an Austrian economist. Please. Just once in your life.
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Spektre

rubber spoon

Postby Spektre » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:27 am

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
No. What people don't understand is that debt isn't necessarily a bad thing like if an individual owns money.

The fact is that our debt to GDP ratio is still very low compared to other countries.

Does that mean we shouldn't be careful and keep spending? Of course not.

But things aren't as dire as people try to make them out to be.

Read this for a better understanding: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opini ... .html?_r=0


I just read through it again and it might literally take a week to debunk all that is wrong with this article. Seriously, pick up a book on Austrian economics. Give it a quick read. It isn't a difficult subject. Report back.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:29 am

Spektre wrote:
I just read through it again and it might literally take a week to debunk all that is wrong with this article. Seriously, pick up a book on Austrian economics. Give it a quick read. It isn't a difficult subject. Report back.


Not a fan.
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Spektre

rubber spoon

Postby Spektre » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:34 am

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
Not a fan.


Me either. Krugman is just horrible.
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Spektre

rubber spoon

Postby Spektre » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:36 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:
The real thing is that America has to accept that the healthcare is going to be a hit on the wallet for the first few years period. BUT with the messed version, the hit is going to be worse then it should be.

A badly run/established universal healthcare program could be the dinner mint to your Mr. Cleasoap of debt.


The bright side is that after that hit the first few years...it gets worse.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:42 am

Spektre wrote:
Me either. Krugman is just horrible.


Not a fan of him either, but his explanation was solid.

Austrian economics is just devolution. It's the same with most of everything Ron Paul believes.

"Hey, let's not use statistics or empirical evidence to solve problems. We'll just go with our guts."

Ron Paul and all of his zombies believe shit because it sounds good without much evidence to back it up. It's the other side of what happened with communism.

"Hey this shit sounds good. It works on paper. Let's try it out!"

Too bad the paper they read it on isn't worth wiping one's ass with.
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Thunderstorm

Not a Kardashian

Postby Thunderstorm » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:46 am

Spektre wrote:
The bright side is that after that hit the first few years...it gets worse.



How can you be sure? I know it has problems, but I'm looking at it as something we will have to work on. Maybe after Obama is gone and people aren't calling it Obamacare, the Republicans might even work with it.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:07 am

Thunderstorm wrote:

How can you be sure? I know it has problems, but I'm looking at it as something we will have to work on. Maybe after Obama is gone and people aren't calling it Obamacare, the Republicans might even work with it.


:lol:

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