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So who's getting Obamacare?

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What will you be doing once Obamacare takes effect?

I will be keeping my current plan.
23
64%
I will be signing up for a new plan under Obamacare.
6
17%
I will be losing my insurance.
1
3%
I don't have insurance now and will continue to not have it.
3
8%
I am a US Senator or major corporation so I am exempt.
3
8%
 
Total votes : 36

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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:56 am

Spektre wrote:
Then you need new history books.

History is replete with empires with much greater wealth disparity that saw no revolution, no people rising up.

It's actually laughable that you think "income disparity" drives revolution. You could make a plausible case for abject poverty, but not income disparity. Revolutions are fought on hungry stomachs, not people longingly looking at someone else's Rolls Royce.

Have you seen America's poor? As a lot, they ain't hungry.


Clearly, that's why we have all the same empires we had 1000 years ago. Oh wait, pretty much no one has the government they had even 200 years ago.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:16 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Clearly, that's why we have all the same empires we had 1000 years ago. Oh wait, pretty much no one has the government they had even 200 years ago.


These empires did not fall from internal revolution though. They were taken over by better capitalists. ;)

Seriously though, so your "revolution ALWAYS occurs when income disparity occurs" is based on what, an exhaustive 10-20 year history?
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:19 am

Spektre wrote:
These empires did not fall from internal revolution though. They were taken over by better capitalists. ;)

Seriously though, so your "revolution ALWAYS occurs when income disparity occurs" is based on what, an exhaustive 10-20 year history?


5000 years.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:24 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
5000 years.


Well good then. We are back to a plethora of empires with extreme income equality that didn't lead to revolution. Shoots that thesis to heck.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby habitual » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:30 am

Spektre wrote:
These empires did not fall from internal revolution though. They were taken over by better capitalists
. ;)

Seriously though, so your "revolution ALWAYS occurs when income disparity occurs" is based on what, an exhaustive 10-20 year history?


:lol: What a load of crap.

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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:32 am

habitual wrote:
:lol: What a load of crap.

Hab


That's right folks. Another well constructed rebuke from Hab. Tip your waitstaff folks, he does 2 shows on Sunday.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby habitual » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:35 am

Spektre wrote:
That's right folks. Another well constructed rebuke from Hab. Tip your waitstaff folks, he does 2 shows on Sunday.


It still required more thought than you pulling facts out of your ass :lol:

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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:39 am

habitual wrote:
It still required more thought than you pulling facts out of your ass :lol:

Hab


He's got dozens of 'em. All as well thought out as this.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:44 am

Spektre wrote:
Well good then. We are back to a plethora of empires with extreme income equality that didn't lead to revolution. Shoots that thesis to heck.


Not necessarily a revolution. A redistribution of wealth, as I said. Sometimes it's done willingly to appease the people and prevent revolution. Sometimes it's a violent uprising. Sometimes it's something different or a mixture. But always, when the rich get too rich and the poor get too poor, the system will collapse or change.

I could direct you to a good book to read on this subject but I assume you're not interested.

Capitalism has legitimized wage slavery for too long and the right have gotten too bold and greedy about it. There's not even any pretense anymore. Their day will come.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:02 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Not necessarily a revolution. A redistribution of wealth, as I said. Sometimes it's done willingly to appease the people and prevent revolution. Sometimes it's a violent uprising. Sometimes it's something different or a mixture. But always, when the rich get too rich and the poor get too poor, the system will collapse or change.

I could direct you to a good book to read on this subject but I assume you're not interested.

Capitalism has legitimized wage slavery for too long and the right have gotten too bold and greedy about it. There's not even any pretense anymore. Their day will come.


And once again your thesis is insanely misguided.

Persian Empire fell due to HEAVY TAXATION, not income inequity
Macedonian Empire defeated by Rome, no revolt
Roman Empire - no large economically based revolutions
Qin and Han Dynasties - no large economically based revolutions

The list literally goes on and on.

All with huge income inequities.

So what data might ye be pulling from? The Socialists wish-list history book?
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:12 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Not necessarily a revolution. A redistribution of wealth, as I said. Sometimes it's done willingly to appease the people and prevent revolution. Sometimes it's a violent uprising. Sometimes it's something different or a mixture. But always, when the rich get too rich and the poor get too poor, the system will collapse or change.

I could direct you to a good book to read on this subject but I assume you're not interested.

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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:15 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:

LOL. So really it never happens the way you'd like it to. Gotcha.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:19 am

Spektre wrote: LOL. So really it never happens the way you'd like it to. Gotcha.


I already addressed your points, and I'm not going to restate my own points simply because you stuck your fingers in your ears and said "na na na."
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby Spektre » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:32 am

You have addressed nothing. You have made assertions, but when pressed for hard examples, fell back on your mythical socialist history book.

I have given you clear examples of greater income inequity that refute your claim.
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Re: So who's getting Obamacare?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:51 am

Spektre wrote:You have addressed nothing. You have made assertions, but when pressed for hard examples, fell back on your mythical socialist history book.

I have given you clear examples of greater income inequity that refute your claim.


You continue to give examples refuting a claim I haven't made, that all empires with income disparity end in revolution. I said they end in wealth redistribution, which they do.

I also offered to recommend a book for you to read, one which focuses precisely on this topic. That offer stands, if you want to read it.
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