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[eltopo]

I hear they changed Asha's name to Yara in the show to avoid confusion with Osha.

I wish they did that in lord of the rings fucking Aowyn and arowyn
wtf fuck is that? name her fucking stacy Tolken ya dick

[PDH]

I hear they changed Asha's name to Yara in the show to avoid confusion with Osha.

Yeah, that's not likely to avoid confusion but whatever.

[Miracloman]

As someone who had not read the books,I got the feeling Jeoffrey's reign will be rather short lived.

[Rockman]

I like the scene I just don't like that it requires Littlefinger to wear the idiot hat. Though, I suppose that it's consistent with the character of TV Littlefinger. Mayor Carcetti does an excellent job in the role - I can't imagine anyone else playing him now - but I think they've missed the point a bit.

The scene was supposed to serve the purpose of showing that everyone under estimates LIttlefinger, and that Cersei doesn't really understand the nature of power because she's something of an idiot when it comes to ruling.

I understand the frustration, because Littlefinger in the book would more than likely have taken that jab with indifference because he wouldn't want to jeapordize his machinations. But for the sake of the tv show I think it will really make some things stand out in later episodes.

[habitual]

The only thing I didn't like in this episode was that Craster looked a little too sophisticated for a wildling.

You should be able to tell a wildling from anyone south of the Wall on sight, he should've been a bit more ragged.

Hab

[Rockman]

He was younger than I thought he'd be.

I expected some vulture looking mofo, not a mid forties or fifties dude.

Basically I expected him to be an even more depraved version of Walder Frey.

[Strict31]

That was great. I watched so many clips before the episode was aired on various sites that I had already practically seen the entire episode.

Added scenes: I loved the Robb scenes that they added but I have mixed feelings about the Littlefinger/Cersei scene. TV-Littlefinger just can't shut up can he? In the books he learned his lesson about ostentatious displays of vanity when Ned's brother kicked his arse. That's why he designed his own sigil to be a Mockingbird: everyone else has like Direwolves and Dragons and stuff but he has this little bird, despite the fact that he's probably the most dangerous mother fucker in the series, only rivalled by Varys. In the TV show he's always blabbing on about his plans to whores or goading Cersei unnecessarily etc. I just can't imagine the character being that stupid, given the extent of his scheming (which only becomes apparent later on). He absolutely runs rings around Cersei in the book, usually by just letting her destroy herself (which she can always be relied upon to do. Cersei is a good tactician but a terrible strategist).

I haven't read any of the books and have no idea what Littlefinger is like in them. But just out-and-out blabbing that he knows the single most dangerous secret in the Kingdom seemed out of character with what has been established about him in the show. It struck me as odd as soon as he said it. I mean, he seems like a guy who defines all the angles before judging which ones best suit him and then acting decisively. And in that situation, he had no angle to best serve him.

Maybe...maybe he';s operating on the principle that he's...I dunno... indispensable to the city and Cersi wouldn't dare murder him outright. Seems quite a gamble with a bitch who is bent enough to fuck her own brother and be complicit in the scheme to kill a king.

It was a fun scene, but it didn't really reveal anything about the two characters that we didn't already know. So, I question the decision to include it. Presumably, it didn't happen that way in the books? Or at all? Your post seems to imply that it was added for the show alone.

[Punchy]

At that point, it wasn't a secret though, Stannis had revealed it to the whole country.

[Arion]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the next episode.

[Rockman]

Several scenes are added to the show that weren't in the book. That was one of them

[PDH]

I haven't read any of the books and have no idea what Littlefinger is like in them. But just out-and-out blabbing that he knows the single most dangerous secret in the Kingdom seemed out of character with what has been established about him in the show. It struck me as odd as soon as he said it. I mean, he seems like a guy who defines all the angles before judging which ones best suit him and then acting decisively. And in that situation, he had no angle to best serve him.

Maybe...maybe he';s operating on the principle that he's...I dunno... indispensable to the city and Cersi wouldn't dare murder him outright. Seems quite a gamble with a bitch who is bent enough to fuck her own brother and be complicit in the scheme to kill a king.

It was a fun scene, but it didn't really reveal anything about the two characters that we didn't already know. So, I question the decision to include it. Presumably, it didn't happen that way in the books? Or at all? Your post seems to imply that it was added for the show alone.

Yeah, the scene was added for the show. Which I don't mind but it's getting to be a bit of a habit with Littlefinger. For instance, the scene with the fisting prostitutes where he basically reveals his plan in season 1, which was also added for the show. I get that they have to reveal his backstory to the viewers but you could have another character (like Catelyn, say) divulge that he foolishly challenged Brandon Stark for her hand and got humiliated and nearly killed as a result. It's an important plot point that he learned from that mistake and that's why he's a lot more dangerous now. It's almost the whole point of the character that he's deliberately adopted this persona, with the mockingbird sigil and the childish nickname. He's letting people underestimate him instead of making ostentatious moves for the sake of his vanity.

He's basically responsible for the entire War of Five Kings, remember. This is not a fool and he had nothing at all to gain from that encounter. Why even take the risk? Like Rockman was saying, the character in the books would have just let that slide and then set something up in the background. Actually, he's made it clear in the books that he considers Cersei to be an amateur in the backstabbing game and has said that he can basically just rely on her to destroy herself, so I doubt he'd even bother.

It was a good Cersei scene but I'm sure they could have found a way to do it (substituting another character for Littlefinger, for example) that wouldn't have required anyone to wear the idiot hat.

[PDH]

At that point, it wasn't a secret though, Stannis had revealed it to the whole country.

The point is that he did it in front of Cersei, risking his life for essentially no gain. Remember, he's always had this information. Jaime and Cersei's relationship was never a secret to him and the moment it became common knowledge any blackmail potential went out of the window making it completely pointless for him to reveal it.

Once everybody knows something, you no longer gain any advantage or power from having that knowledge. It puts you on the same level as anyone else.

If he was going to use that information to manipulate Cersei the time to do it was before everybody else found out about it. After that point the knowledge becomes worthless.

Knowledge is power, but the reverse is not true, as a cursory glance at the world's leaders will reveal.

[Strict31]

The point is that he did it in front of Cersei, risking his life for essentially no gain. Remember, he's always had this information. Jaime and Cersei's relationship was never a secret to him and the moment it became common knowledge any blackmail potential went out of the window making it completely pointless for him to reveal it.

Once everybody knows something, you no longer gain any advantage or power from having that knowledge. It puts you on the same level as anyone else.

If he was going to use that information to manipulate Cersei the time to do it was before everybody else found out about it. After that point the knowledge becomes worthless.

Knowledge is power, but the reverse is not true, as a cursory glance at the world's leaders will reveal.

Indeed. If it wasn't a secret at the time, it makes it even more stupid that he would bust on her in front of a bunch of guys with swords who are sworn to stab people at her whim. But there is literally no point in him saying "knowledge is power" if this is already common knowledge.

[avengingtitan]

I wish they did that in lord of the rings fucking Aowyn and arowyn
wtf fuck is that? name her fucking stacy Tolken ya dick

Oh read any of his books. Half his characters have names that are way to close.

[eltopo]

Oh read any of his books. Half his characters have names that are way to close.

what a jerk