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[Rockman]

Whatever I'm a prude, I don't watch fantasy dramas to see hardcore pornography.

[eltopo]

Whatever I'm a prude, I don't watch fantasy dramas to see hardcore pornography.

that was barely hardcore

[habitual]

that was barely softcore

Fixed.

AMS should be knitting and collecting social security.

Hab

[eltopo]

Fixed.

AMS should be knitting and collecting social security.

Hab

[Chris]

AMS is the worst

[eltopo]

AMS is the worst

yeah he's like rape
but not as funny

[PDH]

I didn't think it was unnecessary. It showed how stuck in the middle in the current situation he was in and how he loathed Ned for getting the gal he wanted the most. But he did respect Ned out of his love Ned's wife. The only reason he betrayed him was because Ned didn't play the game right. Ned approached things differently than the way Littlefinger and Varys (funny how people keep forgetting he also betrayed Ned too) played the game. If he had gotten his way then the Kingdoms would be more fucked in the ass.

However both couldn't anticipate Joffery being a major fuck-up of a king.

No, Littlefinger had planned to screw Ned over from the start. He resents him for marrying Catelyn. Even without spoiling future revelations from the book it should be clear to you that Littlefinger had been planning this for a long time. Note Tyrion's comments in the scene where he enters the council for the first time:

"It's been a remarkable journey. I pissed off the edge of the wall, I slept in a sky cell, I fought with the hill tribes...so many adventures! So much to be thankful for."

Followed by a significant look in Petyr's direction. In other words, 'I know you told Catelyn that it was my knife that was used to try and kill Bran.'

Plus, in later books it's made clear that he's been planning this for some time. It was Petyr who convinced Lysa to send her letter to Catelyn accusing the Lannisters of murdering Jon Arryn. It was also Petyr who was ultimately responsible for Jon Arryn's murder.

Littlefinger has been plotting these events since before the start of the show.

As for Varys, he is a Targaryen supporter, remember. I think he warmed to Ned when Ned refused to go along with assassinating Daenerys but, ultimately, his goal is to put the Targaryens back in power. So, I think that Starks, Lannisters, Baratheons and anyone else who get in the way of that can ultimately consider him to be an enemy.

Still, I think he was sincerely helping Ned up to a point. He's not going to risk his own life for him but Ned might have lasted a bit longer if he'd put more trust in Varys than Littlefinger.

Joffrey being...himself is in the interests of both Littlefinger and Varys, since neither want the Lannisters to remain in power indefinitely.

EDIT: I've blacked out the Varys text because, even though you technically have the information to work that out already, it wasn't always obvious to me until later chapters and I spent a long time trying to figure out what he was up to, so maybe it can be considered a spoiler. So click at your own discretion as it contains details about Varys' motives that you might not have realised yet.

[Rockman]

that was barely hardcore

I was using hyperbole.

[Stephen Day]

Did I hear that the Reeds aren't going to be in the series? Hope I didn't, I love the Reeds and they make Bran's story much more interesting.

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Not to mention that Jojen is the only character who could tell Bran what the three eyed crow is and help him with him being a warg.

[avengingtitan]

Whatever I'm a prude, I don't watch fantasy dramas to see hardcore pornography.

Then you shouldnt watch Spartacus. Thats a great show too but borders on softcore porn at times.

[Zechs]

No, Littlefinger had planned to screw Ned over from the start. He resents him for marrying Catelyn. Even without spoiling future revelations from the book it should be clear to you that Littlefinger had been planning this for a long time. Note Tyrion's comments in the scene where he enters the council for the first time:

"It's been a remarkable journey. I pissed off the edge of the wall, I slept in a sky cell, I fought with the hill tribes...so many adventures! So much to be thankful for."

Followed by a significant look in Petyr's direction. In other words, 'I know you told Catelyn that it was my knife that was used to try and kill Bran.'

Plus, in later books it's made clear that he's been planning this for some time. It was Petyr who convinced Lysa to send her letter to Catelyn accusing the Lannisters of murdering Jon Arryn. It was also Petyr who was ultimately responsible for Jon Arryn's murder.

Littlefinger has been plotting these events since before the start of the show.

As for Varys, he is a Targaryen supporter, remember. I think he warmed to Ned when Ned refused to go along with assassinating Daenerys but, ultimately, his goal is to put the Targaryens back in power. So, I think that Starks, Lannisters, Baratheons and anyone else who get in the way of that can ultimately consider him to be an enemy.

Still, I think he was sincerely helping Ned up to a point. He's not going to risk his own life for him but Ned might have lasted a bit longer if he'd put more trust in Varys than Littlefinger.

Joffrey being...himself is in the interests of both Littlefinger and Varys, since neither want the Lannisters to remain in power indefinitely.

EDIT: I've blacked out the Varys text because, even though you technically have the information to work that out already, it wasn't always obvious to me until later chapters and I spent a long time trying to figure out what he was up to, so maybe it can be considered a spoiler. So click at your own discretion as it contains details about Varys' motives that you might not have realised yet.

I figured it out in the first season who Varys was backing.

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He didn't give a crap for Robert or his kin. He doesn't like the Lannisters. Also he tried to kill Dany so who is left? The answer came to me in his scene with Ned when he first visited him in the dungeon. "I serve the kingdom." So which of Dany's kin did he save? Because obviously It's the only answer for me since he would groom a proper ruler and one who would be accepted by the people. That be Dany's family.

As for Littlefinger...

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I think he would have betrayed Ned eventually, but he was offering Ned an out with accept Joffery as ruler before doing speeding his betrayal of him. Though that stuff makes more sense now. I'm guessing that kid Lysa has with her is his and not John's?

[Punchy]

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Not to mention that Jojen is the only character who could tell Bran what the three eyed crow is and help him with him being a warg.

I think they might not appear until Season 3, change it so Bran doesn't meet them until after Winterfell is destroyed, perhaps they are late.

[Rockman]

As for Varys, in light of all the current books

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Yes he serves the kingdom, and he started out with three plans that we know of, all of them Targaryens or at least we think so (not sure if the latest one is really one). Losing Dany wasn't in his plans, but he had to adapt to keep his position on the small council. I think at the time that her brother was still alive?

Plus I'm pretty sure that whole event was ruse so that Mormont could spy out the poisoner and they could use that as a motivation to get Khal Drogo to westeros.

[Rockman]

Then you shouldnt watch Spartacus. Thats a great show too but borders on softcore porn at times.

Actually that's the reason I don't watch it.

That and I can't stand the fake CGI blood.

[avengingtitan]

Actually that's the reason I don't watch it.

That and I can't stand the fake CGI blood.

Too bad because its quite good.