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[ReturnoftheMack]

Once in 6 movies? I don't know what you mean. Seriously.

Batman fighting henchmen is also pretty much a defining characteristic of the character. The comics. The animated. The Adam West show. The Burton movies. The Shumaker *shudder* movies.

I get it. You like the Nolan movies. I don't blame you, they're good movies.

But to trivialize the fighting aspect of Batman is silly. It defines the character. It is a part of the character. This is not to say he can't use his brains or gadgets.

Again, that clip from Sherlock Holmes using his brains AND martial prowess is what Batman SHOULD be. You can say I'm just being argumentative, but I'm not the only one disagreeing with you here...

I'm just glad Nolan didn't make the film you wanted.

Dark Knight > Sherlock Holmes.

[Doc Jon]

And Nolan did have Bruce fight quite a bit. BB and his training was actually done very well.

One might even say that the martial arts training in that movie was essential to the creation of Batman, no? He certainly wasn't using gadgets in those scenes.

The disconnect really happens when he dons the suit. That's when the action scenes and the fights become lame. Again, it may be due to the suit (as Bale couldn't even turn his head until the second movie) but that's still not an excuse.

[dairydead]

Bruce Wayne from Batman TAS was always shown to know martial arts, but his fighting style is just street fighting, enhanced by his training in other disciplines.

yup. it wasn't some kung-fu bullshit. he just swooped into some guys, punched some guys, and tossed around some batarangs. It was how batman is almost always shown.

I've always seen Robin as the balance as that. He's got a bo staff, martial arts skills, and is an ex-circus performer. There's a reason he does more kung-fu stuff; because Batman doesn't, and won't.

[Doc Jon]

I'm just glad Nolan didn't make the film you wanted.

Dark Knight > Sherlock Holmes.

Too bad Holmes didn't use a gadget in his shoe to attract bats. Because that would have really made that film...

[dairydead]

And Nolan did have Bruce fight quite a bit. BB and his training was actually done very well.

One might even say that the martial arts training in that movie was essential to the creation of Batman, no? He certainly wasn't using gadgets in those scenes.

The disconnect really happens when he dons the suit. That's when the action scenes and the fights become lame. Again, it may be due to the suit (as Bale couldn't even turn his head until the second movie) but that's still not an excuse.

I've never seen those scenes as Bruce becoming a "badass martial artist" . They were more to establish that Bruce was becoming disciplined and honing his skills in fighting and observation.

[Rockman]

To be fair the fight scenes in any of the batman movies weren't raising the bar on action movies everywhere.

[The Shadow]

Before Avengers, Dark Knight was easily the best comic film. Chris Nolan is probably the best director in Hollywood currently.

You people are on crack.

I stand by the first Superman and Superman II as the best comic films of all time.

[Doc Jon]

yup. it wasn't some kung-fu bullshit. he just swooped into some guys, punched some guys, and tossed around some batarangs. It was how batman is almost always shown.

I've always seen Robin as the balance as that. He's got a bo staff, martial arts skills, and is an ex-circus performer. There's a reason he does more kung-fu stuff; because Batman doesn't, and won't.

Yeah, that would probably be a terrible movie...

[ReturnoftheMack]

Too bad Bruce Lee is dead because him in a Batsuit fighting Kareem Abdul-Jabbar would have made more sense.

/Salwen'd

[Doc Jon]

I've never seen those scenes as Bruce becoming a "badass martial artist" . They were more to establish that Bruce was becoming disciplined and honing his skills in fighting and observation.

He trained with a league of assassins that spent their time bringing down civilizations as ninja... but ok...

[ReturnoftheMack]

To be fair the fight scenes in any of the batman movies weren't raising the bar on action movies everywhere.

I don't think anyone is arguing that they were.

But saying that's why Nolan's Batman fails is ridiculous.

[Doc Jon]

Too bad Bruce Lee is dead because him in a Batsuit fighting Kareem Abdul-Jabbar would have made more sense.

/Salwen'd

Sick burn...

[Doc Jon]

I don't think anyone is arguing that they were.

But saying that's why Nolan's Batman fails is ridiculous.

Your inability to sort out exagerration is the only ridiculous thing here...

[ReturnoftheMack]

Sick burn...

You should get that treated. STDs are no joke.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Your inability to sort out exagerration is the only ridiculous thing here...

With your crappy taste in movies, it's hard to tell when you are exaggerating.