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Batman isn't like some pure discipline fighter, he takes stuff from all kinds of styles and made the Batstyle. But I'm guessing he was as fully trained assassin/ninja as he was ready to graduate into he league of assassins in BB if he would have just killed that guy.
But yeah I think the bad point was the poor fight cheorgraphy. In close shots and quick cuts are what passes for good action scenes in the past 10-15 years or so. Easier and cheaper I guess since you can't tell what is going on half the time anyway.
Doc Jon wrote:Everything about this scene screams the techniques the league taught him. Ra's says as much later on when they meet again. It's just not done well.
Well, I like when he's grabbing guys as the scene starts, I thought that was well done.
Haha! Great scene. Loved the frenzy when he beats up the gang.
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Doc Jon wrote: They never mention that he trained or honed his skills as a detective either...
And I don't recall him doing much if any detective work of any kind in either movie thus far. He intimidates lots of people into confessing shit but he goes to Morgan Freeman to get all his cool shit made to use, and never really comes up with anything on his own. Pretty much all the threats are right out there not even hiding or anything, nothing really for him to detect.
Tee-Roy'd wrote: And I don't recall him doing much if any detective work of any kind in either movie thus far. He intimidates lots of people into confessing shit but he goes to Morgan Freeman to get all his cool shit made to use, and never really comes up with anything on his own. Pretty much all the threats are right out there not even hiding or anything, nothing really for him to detect.
He built that whole cell phone spying computer on his own!
Jude Terror wrote:I'll vote for NPWFBH in the next election.
I really like that Nolan took the character seriously, but I don't think he really got some of the aspects of the character. With comic films being taken more seriously, I'm hoping this trend continues. I'm hopeful that we may get a Batman film that gets the character slightly better than Nolan and co.
I don't think Nolan had much respect for the source material to be honest. Probably spits on comics and nerds like you people. Probably has no idea there is a title called "Detective Comics" starring Batman.
AaronW wrote:I don't think Nolan had much respect for the source material to be honest. Probably spits on comics and nerds like you people. Probably has no idea there is a title called "Detective Comics" starring Batman.
Certainly not the way Whedon respected the Avengers, that's for sure. I think he had it really right at times. Like when he saves Neeson as they're both falling off the mountain. That's definitely Batman there.
But then he had the "I don't have to save you" which is really not the character at all. So it's a mix of both.
Doc Jon wrote: Yeah, because Batman walking around and backhanding armed criminals is ssssoooooooooooooo realistic...
There has to be a scale because obviously neither scenario is "realistic," but which one is more believable in the suspension of disbelief that there is a vigilante dressed as a bat who has survived going up against gangsters and thugs that are the same as in our world? It's not going to be the Bruce Lee vs. 10 guys one at a time scenario. He needs to take down people fast while minimizing exposure. The Begins scene is great for that very reason, you're just off your rocker.
Regulator wrote: There has to be a scale because obviously neither scenario is "realistic," but which one is more believable in the suspension of disbelief that there is a vigilante dressed as a bat who has survived going up against gangsters and thugs that are the same as in our world? It's not going to be the Bruce Lee vs. 10 guys one at a time scenario. He needs to take down people fast while minimizing exposure. The Begins scene is great for that very reason, you're just off your rocker.
The scene where he's standing in the middle of 8 guys fighting them all at the same time much like the Ip Man scene except it's just shot in a way so that you can't see anything clearly? I honestly don't know what you're defending. It's not that Nolan didn't attempt such a scene, it's that he did it poorly.
So that 'realism' argument really doesn't work with the fighting in the Nolan films either. He just shot poor fight scenes.
Cat-Scratch wrote:The Nolan Batman is the best Batman that isn't Batman...
He certainly made us forget about the Joel Shmuacher Batman in those two abominable movies, so more power to Nolan and Bale for burning that terrible memory from existence.
by AaronW » Thu May 24, 2012 1:28 pm 
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