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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Nacmir » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:36 pm

GOSD wrote:
Umm..ok.

All language errors aside, you really think that those American soldiers killed this past weekend was jusitified?


I think every soldier having a foot outside his country has a "kill me" sign in their back. It goes beyond specific countries, if that makes some difference to you. Every country has a right to self-determination, and when it is lost, people tend to get it back, eventualy. I believe it that much that I even apply it for peace corps.
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby GOSD » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:38 pm

Nacmir wrote:
I think every soldier having a foot outside his country has a "kill me" sign in their back. It goes beyond specific countries, if that makes some difference to you. Every country has a right to self-determination, and when it is lost, people tend to get it back, eventualy. I believe it that much that I even apply it for peace corps.


So, that would be a yes.

Wow.

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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Benderbrau » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:41 pm

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It's not my fault that you are a fatty.

Go feed your face.

Tacos have lettuce on them so they're healthy :smt019
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:42 pm

Wow. the peace corps volunteers should be killed.

Some unbelievable stuff being said today.

People being killed because a holy book-with communications from the enemy-was burned with garbage. By obstensible allies nonetheless (Afghan military). Justified.

Phew.

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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Nacmir » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:44 pm

GOSD wrote:
So, that would be a yes.

Wow.


Most countries, even mine, tend to somehow attach some glory to their "dead while invading someone else". I think it is wrong but to each their own. You think otherwise and life goes on. In this specific scenario, it's quite crappy because people revolted over korans instead of revolting against casualties or something with more significance, but it is still within the margins of "what people do when invaded".
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:46 pm

And it makes no difference to you that they were invaded after attacking this country?

So like, when the allies invaded Germany that would justify killing allied soldiers because they are the invaders.

The funny thing is, since the Taliban rules by force, and the allies here are attempting to introduce some democratic institutions whereby people actually vote for what they want and majority and minority will is protected, self-determination seems to be much more protected by the invaders/occupiers, then the native Taliban.

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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Benderbrau » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:46 pm

Nacmir wrote:
Most countries, even mine, tend to somehow attach some glory to their "dead while invading someone else". I think it is wrong but to each their own. You think otherwise and life goes on. In this specific scenario, it's quite crappy because people revolted over korans instead of revolting against casualties or something with more significance, but it is still within the margins of "what people do when invaded".

"within the margins of what people do when invaded" =/= justified (which was the question)
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Benderbrau » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:49 pm

Spidey-Man wrote:And it makes no difference to you that they were invaded after attacking this country?

So like, when the allies invaded Germany that would justify killing allied soldiers because they are the invaders.

The funny thing is, since the Taliban rules by force, and the allies here are attempting to introduce some democratic institutions whereby people actually vote for what they want and majority and minority will is protected, self-determination seems to be much more protected by the invaders/occupiers, then the native Taliban.

That is inaccurate. The Taliban, who were the ruling party of Afghanistan, did not invade this country. Al Queda, who is an independent and extremist organization, did. That's like saying the French would have the right to invade America and overthrow our entire government if the KKK committed acts of terrorism in Paris.
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby habitual » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:52 pm

Nacmir wrote:
I think every soldier having a foot outside his country has a "kill me" sign in their back. It goes beyond specific countries, if that makes some difference to you. Every country has a right to self-determination, and when it is lost, people tend to get it back, eventualy. I believe it that much that I even apply it for peace corps.

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Your analogy is terrible. The French government never supported terrorism in Germany prior to the occupation..

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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:52 pm

Benderbrau wrote:That is inaccurate. The Taliban, who were the ruling party of Afghanistan, did not invade this country. Al Queda, who is an independent and extremist organization, did. That's like saying the French would have the right to invade America and overthrow our entire government if the KKK committed acts of terrorism in Paris.



Not inaccurate. The Taliban and Al Qaeda overlap, and they provided the training grounds, resources, and land for AQ to operate. Before during and after the attack. (until we removed them).

Again, your analogies suck today. The two situations are nothing alike at all.

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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Benderbrau » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:55 pm

Spidey-Man wrote:

Not inaccurate. The Taliban and Al Qaeda overlap, and they provided the training grounds, resources, and land for AQ to operate. Before during and after the attack. (until we removed them).

Again, your analogies suck today. The two situations are nothing alike at all.

And we've done nothing to ever curb the resources or property that the KKK use to promote their agenda so...
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:56 pm

Now, if the KKK was a known worldwide terrorist organization. Which had pledged to kill Frenchman, and had indeed attacked French interests many times, and declared war on france, and the KKK membership and the US Government membership were intertwined and the US Government gave sanctuary to the KKK and protection, and if after the KKK attacked france in massive mass murder and the US Gov refused to renounce the KKK, and refused to hand them over for trial, and continued to offer them sanctuary, then the US government would be an accomplice, an aider and abetter under the law, and the French government would be justified in attacking the US government, particularlyw hen the US government had no standing under the law, had taken over the US by force, and was in violation of much law and human decency.

Then sure it would be similar
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby GOSD » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:58 pm

Nacmir wrote:
Most countries, even mine, tend to somehow attach some glory to their "dead while invading someone else". I think it is wrong but to each their own. You think otherwise and life goes on. In this specific scenario, it's quite crappy because people revolted over korans instead of revolting against casualties or something with more significance, but it is still within the margins of "what people do when invaded".


Firstly, where are you from?

Secondly, that kind of talk is why I never wanted us to stay in either country. Iraq is/was/will always be a shit country. Just like Iran (sorry Nieto). As for Afghanistan, those people have nothing and are nothing except what's in their soil. I say let the Taliban come back so we can kill them again. Fuck those dirty people.

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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby Nacmir » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:00 pm

habitual wrote:.
Your analogy is terrible. The French government never supported terrorism in Germany prior to the occupation..

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I didn't mention France in that post. but the exact moment a French soldier, or an American or a Russian, put a foot in Germany, they were becoming targets, same with german soldiers getting everywhere else.

Also, Versalles. If Versalles was not a form of terrorism, I don´t know what it was.
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Re: why were those Korans burned?

Postby GOSD » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:00 pm

Oh yeah, Shawn (HowAreWeToLive) was in the Peace Corps so shame on you for being ok with him being killed. :smt011

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