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by **Chubbles** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:28 pm

Rockman wrote:
So it's okay to kill people for burning a book?

you guys oversimplify everything...as a stand alone act no of course its not ok to kill over burning a book but there's a lot more at stake and at play here than a damn book

by **Spidey-Man** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:32 pm

Chubbles wrote:
so the USA should become the biggest thugs worldwide instead? We're supposed to protect people from those thugs, not become them. Occupying these countries does not prevent thugs from attacking. We've seen that all it does is breed hatred for the US and once we leave it all comes back out again.

I didnt suggest a solution. What i suggested is your analysis was simplistic.

The areas where the taliban is not in control remain semi decent. the areas where they are terrible.

So no worries about becoming thugs.

There is plenty of hatred for the US regardless. It happens.

Some occupations are successful, some aren't.

by **Chubbles** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:32 pm

Not everybody wants to relax on a Tuesday night watching american idol while eating some popcorn...the problem we have is that we think bc we are happy with we have that everyone else should have that too..but it doesn't work that way

by **Rockman** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:33 pm

Chubbles wrote:
you guys oversimplify everything...as a stand alone act no of course its not ok to kill over burning a book but there's a lot more at stake and at play here than a damn book

Yeah there was more at stake, apparently they contained enemy communications.

But that's justification to riot and kill, if you burn their holy book.

It's completely irrational.

by **Spidey-Man** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:33 pm

Chubbles wrote:
you guys oversimplify everything...as a stand alone act no of course its not ok to kill over burning a book but there's a lot more at stake and at play here than a damn book

It's not a damn book to them. So yes, for many of them, and especially the recent shooter, it was about a book.

by **Chubbles** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:34 pm

Spidey-Man wrote:
I didnt suggest a solution. What i suggested is your analysis was simplistic.

The areas where the taliban is not in control remain semi decent. the areas where they are terrible.

So no worries about becoming thugs.

There is plenty of hatred for the US regardless. It happens.

Some occupations are successful, some aren't.

My analysis was that what we are doing does not and will not work. You're saying 'there are some nice places and some bad'...that's true everywhere. Why should we put our troops in harms way when it's painfully obvious that even the non-terrorists want us to get the fuck out?

by **Chubbles** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:35 pm

Spidey-Man wrote:
It's not a damn book to them. So yes, for many of them, and especially the recent shooter, it was about a book.

if you believe that these folks harbored no ill sentiment towards Americans before they saw this book being burned than you are dilussional

by **Spidey-Man** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:35 pm

Chubbles wrote:Not everybody wants to relax on a Tuesday night watching american idol while eating some popcorn...the problem we have is that we think bc we are happy with we have that everyone else should have that too..but it doesn't work that way

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal/ That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I may be wrong, but i believe that predates American Idol. If you can't believe in the central theme and idea of this nation, you probably shouldn't be here.

by **Spidey-Man** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:37 pm

Chubbles wrote: You're saying 'there are some nice places and some bad'...that's true everywhere. when it's painfully obvious that even the non-terrorists want us to get the fuck out?

Yes, we have places here comparable to Taliban controlled Afghanistsan

Seriously guys? raise your game today.

by **Chubbles** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:37 pm

Rockman wrote:
Yeah there was more at stake, apparently they contained enemy communications.

But that's justification to riot and kill, if you burn their holy book.

It's completely irrational.

They hated us before burning the book and for lots of people having this book burned tipped the scale for them to enact violence as a tool. It's been building inside of these people. God forbid some video or shit comes out where a solider rapes a woman or a child or something, you'll have thousands more suicide bombers at the ready. They are at their breaking point where anything we do whether intentional or not will bring us a hell of a lot more enemies.

by **Nacmir** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:39 pm

GOSD wrote:
Firstly, where are you from?

Secondly, that kind of talk is why I never wanted us to stay in either country. Iraq is/was/will always be a shit country. Just like Iran (sorry Nieto). As for Afghanistan, those people have nothing and are nothing except what's in their soil. I say let the Taliban come back so we can kill them again. Fuck those dirty people.

I'm from Chile.

Small countries will always be shit as long as big countries use them as chess pieces. Both Irak and Afghanistan current history is marked by cold war. That's the prime antecedent to the way they were. When in school, they tought us that antecedents to certains historical periods are quite important. And I mean it as being posting from a country and half-a-continent that suffered that too, cold was was a bloddy black hole for some historical processes.

by **Chubbles** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:39 pm

Spidey-Man wrote:

Yes, we have places here comparable to Taliban controlled Afghanistsan

Seriously guys? raise your game today.

but why do you think the world should be held to OUR standards of living? Sounds like your projecting bc you think you know the best way to live.

by **GOSD** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:40 pm

Benderbrau wrote:The idea is to occupy the country long enough to arm and train their own people to protect their own country. Except it doesn't work. I know a few military officers who were tasked with training in Afghanistan and they all told the same story: just about every local they recruited would show up drunk or high, never followed direction, never respected any chain of command and ran at the first sign of trouble. These people do not want to help themselves so why should we?

Exactly.

Creating schools and training them is a waste of time and money.

by **Spidey-Man** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:41 pm

It’s a scumbag country. Likely nothing you can do about that but to pretend like they were all peaches and cream or peaceful before this of course not provoked occupation,

:lol:

Like one day we just picked Afghanistan of the list of shitty countries with shitty futures.

Justify murder all you want. At least nacmir is not supporting the killing of his own countrymen!

by **Rockman** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:42 pm

No one ever claimed that they didn't hate us, or even that they liked us.

I could care less about that. They are the enemy, I expect them to hate us.

What i don't expect is our "allies" to attack and kill us when dispose of enemy communications. And I don't expect our CIC to apologize to these animals when they kill one of our own.

Maybe our allies don't want us over there either, but it's too bad for them. If there country wasn't run by a bunch of terrorists we never would have had to go over there.