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by **Benderbrau** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:52 pm

Strict31 wrote:
About one third of the way into the Yuzon Vong storyline, I stopped giving a shit what the Expanded Universe had to say about Luke and the gang. I tried to get back into it with the Legacy series, but after reading the first book, I realized something: the most masterful thing Lucas ever did with these characters and their story was to end it.

Of course, it could be pointed out that, as the Emperor's Hand (really dug that title), Mara was fucked from the get-go in terms of Dogma.

After Chewbacca was killed someone asked Lucas how he felt about these books showing the characters' lives after his movies. Basically his answer was he was fine with it but as far as he's concerned after they blew up the second Death Star all the heroes bought houses, settled down, and spend every Saturday having barbecues together.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:56 pm

GOSD wrote:First, it's not like they could have stopped him. Obi Wan was already dead and in ROTJ, Yoda was near death before Luke took on both Vader and the Emperor.

Secondly, the Emperor didn't really defeat Yoda. That was more of a stalemate.

As for the revenge thing, c'mon. It's Lucas. Nothing makes sense anymore.

This, on all three.

Plus you could argue that Darth Vader was even better having become a cyborg and had an additional 20 years of saber practice, often killing remaining Jedi. The Emperor was at a point that he'd just fry Luke, but, they wanted to turn him due to his potential, not destroy him. You seem to have missed those scenes, Salwen.

As for revenge, I think they had dialog in Ep3 saying that the Jedi thought that they had destroyed the Sith a thousand years earlier. :smt102

Maybe Palpatine got cock blocked by a Jedi?

by **PDH** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:59 pm

Keb wrote:Sarcasm?

Straight up.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:00 pm

Benderbrau wrote:After Chewbacca was killed someone asked Lucas how he felt about these books showing the characters' lives after his movies. Basically his answer was he was fine with it but as far as he's concerned after they blew up the second Death Star all the heroes bought houses, settled down, and spend every Saturday having barbecues together.

I found that most of the post stories don't work well for me. The early ones where they're cleaning up the remnants of the Empire make sense and I kind of like Mara Jade, but the rest is suck. An extra galactic threat? :smt019

Rebuilding the Republic and finishing off the Empire would be plenty of story.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:01 pm

PDH wrote:
Straight up.

Oh. Oh. Oh.

by **Rockman** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:13 pm

I've always hated how the light and dark side was portrayed, it was always so juvenile. I liked the portrayal in the first Stars Old Republic game better.

by **Strict31** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:46 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
I found that most of the post stories don't work well for me. The early ones where they're cleaning up the remnants of the Empire make sense and I kind of like Mara Jade, but the rest is suck. An extra galactic threat? Rebuilding the Republic and finishing off the Empire would be plenty of story.

A lot of the EU material strains a lot of what was established in the movies. I tended to like Zahn's books, but shit like the Ysalimir (or however the fuck it's spelled) didn't make any sense, given how it was established that the Force worked. In the NJO books, the Vong also didn't make sense. I just got tired of that shit.

Also, it had reached a point, where Han Solo is in his sixties, running around doing the same shit that he was 30 years earlier. At some point, people need to let their heroes ride off into the sunset, or die or whatever, and move onto different heroes. And I mean, both the readers and the writers need to do that.

by **Regulator** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:33 pm

Benderbrau wrote:After Chewbacca was killed someone asked Lucas how he felt about these books showing the characters' lives after his movies. Basically his answer was he was fine with it but as far as he's concerned after they blew up the second Death Star all the heroes bought houses, settled down, and spend every Saturday having barbecues together.

But he does give his blessing to EU stuff. His only directives on NJO were that the bad guys weren't Force-users and that Anakin not be the one who falls to the dark side. At this point I don't think he gives a shit what goes on as long as it keeps the revenues coming in.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:47 pm

Strict31 wrote:
A lot of the EU material strains a lot of what was established in the movies. I tended to like Zahn's books, but shit like the Ysalimir (or however the fuck it's spelled) didn't make any sense, given how it was established that the Force worked. In the NJO books, the Vong also didn't make sense. I just got tired of that shit.

Also, it had reached a point, where Han Solo is in his sixties, running around doing the same shit that he was 30 years earlier. At some point, people need to let their heroes ride off into the sunset, or die or whatever, and move onto different heroes. And I mean, both the readers and the writers need to do that.

This is why I think if he does sequels, they should be set a generation or two after the classic trilogy occurred. Hamil would go back to cameo, but the rest? Doubt it.

by **Benderbrau** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:12 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
This is why I think if he does sequels, they should be set a generation or two after the classic trilogy occurred. Hamil would go back to cameo, but the rest? Doubt it.

Forget sequels or prequels. Do some KOTOR action. There's so much more potential when you set things in an age far removed from established continuity.

by **Dragavon** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:51 pm

Strict31 wrote:
A lot of the EU material strains a lot of what was established in the movies. I tended to like Zahn's books, but shit like the Ysalimir (or however the fuck it's spelled) didn't make any sense, given how it was established that the Force worked. In the NJO books, the Vong also didn't make sense. I just got tired of that shit.

Also, it had reached a point, where Han Solo is in his sixties, running around doing the same shit that he was 30 years earlier. At some point, people need to let their heroes ride off into the sunset, or die or whatever, and move onto different heroes. And I mean, both the readers and the writers need to do that.

If Han Solo was the same age as the actor playing him, he was 42 in Return and he'd be 82 in the Legacy novels.

It's the same problem that Marvel and DC have. Where their original characters are too ingrained to be replaced by their legacy or children.

by **spidertour02** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:55 pm

Benderbrau wrote:Forget sequels or prequels. Do some KOTOR action. There's no much more potential when you set things in an age far removed from established continuity.

I used to think this, but at the same time the filmmakers (Lucas or otherwise) would be too tied down to other established facts about how things work in that universe. At that point, they should just come up with something new that's entirely unrelated to Star Wars.

The problem is that all of this Star Wars material doesn't come from an interest in telling stories -- it comes from an interest in cashing checks.

by **Strict31** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:57 pm

Benderbrau wrote:Forget sequels or prequels. Do some KOTOR action. There's so much more potential when you set things in an age far removed from established continuity.

Well, even the KotOR era no longer qualifies. Before KotOR came out, the amount of history written for that specific era amounted to three sentences in a Star Wars RPG sourcebook. That ten year window was pretty much wide open. Even after the first two games came out, for a little while, there was a lot of room to do whatever you wanted.

Then, they released that shit-assed comic book...

You know, I used to the think the problem was too much continuity. Now, I'm convinced the problem is too much stupid continuity.

But on the other hand, even if Lucas did some movies or a TV series or a cartoon set in the past, he'd likely ignore what EU has written about that era.

by **TheLurker** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:47 pm

BUT GREEDO SHOT FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Doc Jon** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:01 pm

I don't care how you cut it, Luke was SUPPOSED to take on Vader AND the Emperor.

Only a fully trained Jedi KNight, with the Force as his ally, can defeat Vader and his Emperor if I recall correctly. Or are you seriously contending that Luke was only supposed to take on Vader? That makes no sense.

Luke was meant to end the rule of the Sith and he was utterly unprepared for it. There is no way after seeing the prequels that Yoda or Obi-Wan could have possibly believed that Luke was remotely capable of taking on the Emperor.

And it wasn't a stalemate with Yoda and the Emperor (but that would have actually made it worse because why wouldn't he then come back to finish the job, this time with Obi-Wan, instead of hiding for 20 years).