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[Stalzer2002]

Night Force: Never read it. So, how many times did the female lead try to shoot Dracula with a crossbow, only for him to transform into mist?

Quasar: Decent enough stuff.

Power Company: Never read it.

Stars & S.T.R.I.P.E: Never read it. I suppose I'm more likely to read it than most of Johns' work that I already haven't. After all, it is from an era when Johns still bothered with things like plot and character development.

Manhunter: Ostrander and Yale were a legendary team.

All-New Atom: Like all books starring legacy characters in the Didiot Era, it never stood a chance.

Groo - Meh.

Busiek's Superman - Never read it. No interest in doing so either.

Lone Wolf & Cub - One of these days, I need to read this.

Sgt. Rock - Joe, on his very worst day, puts out better work than Adam and Andy could combined in their wildest dreams.

Black Hole - There are a few words that can instantly turn me off to a work. Trippy is one such word.

[misac]

Day 2 starts off with only two entries, because you jerks had a three way tie in the next spot. A 90's book that eventually devolved into a mess and a run that took place in the middle of a big publishing mess for a big name character.


157. 9 points - Flash (Peyer)

Yes, technically this probably shouldn't be on the list as it wasn't a long enough run, but Bubba didn't notice that and when I did the write-up, I think it's a good time to discuss the miscues in regards to one of DC's marquee characters that ruined the book for a few years, by looking at a fairly successful (from a storytelling standpoint) run. So deal with it.

Join me, on a journey back to the year 2008. So the Flash title was in a bit of a tailspin. They tried pushing Bart as the new Flash, but that didn't take so it was canned and Bart was killed. Then they tried bringing back Mark Waid and Wally West returned as the title character, with kids that had been super aged and given super powers. This also didn't go over well and Waid left the book. So finally they announced that Tom Peyer, writer of many things and well known for his Hourman book that had a cult following, took this new status quo and tried to build a solid foundation. And he did a pretty good job introducing a new villain who could control people's minds and did so through news outlets and scare tactics (plus a chained up meta-human), but alas despite much fanfare surrounding his debut on the book, he was unceremoniously dumped after a short run and the book was soon canceled so Grant Morrison could bring back Barry Allen in Final Crisis, and Geoff Johns could take that character into his own ongoing, leaving Barry, Peyer, and the West family hanging about on the fringes of the DCU, trapped in creative limbo yet again. While the new Flash book is fun, DC really screwed up the whole Flash series once Johns left and never really seemed to have a plan. Despite a few writers that seemed to have an OK grasp on the character, nothing ever was given a chance to settle down and it's no wonder sales struggled as a result. At least they learned their lesson and didn't do the same thing to Teen Titans or JLA or JSA or......


156. 9 points X-Force (Nicieza)
In 1991 Fabian Nicieza joined Rob Liefeld in sending off New Mutants and ushering in a new series called X-Force. The original line-up of the team included Boom Boom, Cable, Cannonball, Domino, Feral, Shatterstar and Warpath, with characters like Siryn, Rictor and Sunspot joining later on. This run also introduced characters like Deadpool to the Marvel U. With issue #12 Liefeld left the book and Nicieza stayed on the book until 1995. His run included tie ins with most of the major X-Men crossovers like X-Cutioner's Song, and Age of Apocalypse. While the book had tons of big action, it also dealt with serious themes like Siryn's alcoholism. Cable left the book for a while and went on to his own solo series, but returned to become leader again. Nicieza would return to Cable in a book that will show up later.



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[Zab]

Only one I've read out of this lot is Busiek's Superman...

You can tell old people and their nostalgia dominated this list..

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Only one I've read out of this lot is Busiek's Superman...

You can tell old people and their nostalgia dominated this list..

This is the bottom of the list though, so these are items that got only a few votes.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Only one I've read out of this lot is Busiek's Superman...

You can tell old people and their nostalgia dominated this list..

This is the bottom of the list though, so these are items that got only a few votes.

[misac]

I remember saying Peyer on Flash was good at the time it was coming out. Don't remember them putting out a trade though.

[superfictious]

When Nacieza was working with Capulla, X-Force was seriously great fun.

[Jack Burton]

Day 2 starts off with only two entries, because you jerks had a three way tie in the next spot. A 90's book that eventually devolved into a mess and a run that took place in the middle of a big publishing mess for a big name character.


157. 9 points - Flash (Peyer)

Yes, technically this probably shouldn't be on the list as it wasn't a long enough run, but Bubba didn't notice that and when I did the write-up, I think it's a good time to discuss the miscues in regards to one of DC's marquee characters that ruined the book for a few years, by looking at a fairly successful (from a storytelling standpoint) run. So deal with it.

Join me, on a journey back to the year 2008. So the Flash title was in a bit of a tailspin. They tried pushing Bart as the new Flash, but that didn't take so it was canned and Bart was killed. Then they tried bringing back Mark Waid and Wally West returned as the title character, with kids that had been super aged and given super powers. This also didn't go over well and Waid left the book. So finally they announced that Tom Peyer, writer of many things and well known for his Hourman book that had a cult following, took this new status quo and tried to build a solid foundation. And he did a pretty good job introducing a new villain who could control people's minds and did so through news outlets and scare tactics (plus a chained up meta-human), but alas despite much fanfare surrounding his debut on the book, he was unceremoniously dumped after a short run and the book was soon canceled so Grant Morrison could bring back Barry Allen in Final Crisis, and Geoff Johns could take that character into his own ongoing, leaving Barry, Peyer, and the West family hanging about on the fringes of the DCU, trapped in creative limbo yet again. While the new Flash book is fun, DC really screwed up the whole Flash series once Johns left and never really seemed to have a plan. Despite a few writers that seemed to have an OK grasp on the character, nothing ever was given a chance to settle down and it's no wonder sales struggled as a result. At least they learned their lesson and didn't do the same thing to Teen Titans or JLA or JSA or......


156. 9 points X-Force (Nicieza)
In 1991 Fabian Nicieza joined Rob Liefeld in sending off New Mutants and ushering in a new series called X-Force. The original line-up of the team included Boom Boom, Cable, Cannonball, Domino, Feral, Shatterstar and Warpath, with characters like Siryn, Rictor and Sunspot joining later on. This run also introduced characters like Deadpool to the Marvel U. With issue #12 Liefeld left the book and Nicieza stayed on the book until 1995. His run included tie ins with most of the major X-Men crossovers like X-Cutioner's Song, and Age of Apocalypse. While the book had tons of big action, it also dealt with serious themes like Siryn's alcoholism. Cable left the book for a while and went on to his own solo series, but returned to become leader again. Nicieza would return to Cable in a book that will show up later.



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The Flash - After Waid and the crap that came before I just couldn't get into this book. Wally got royally f-ing screwed and I am still bitter about it.

X-Force - I hate X-Force. I've always hated them even way back when everyone was drinking Liefield Kool Aid. It's not a Fabian thing though as his New Warriors was awesome it's just the characters and the art I associate with the book.

[Eli Katz]

I haven't read Flash or X-Force. So no comment.

[misac]

The Flash - After Waid and the crap that came before I just couldn't get into this book. Wally got royally f-ing screwed and I am still bitter about it.

[misac]

I haven't read Flash or X-Force. So no comment.

This is the Top Lists! That shouldn't keep you from having an opintion one way or the other.

[misac]

Seriously people? A three way tie? All have badasses with guns and future stuff, at least there's a common theme, right? Three people thought these three books were the best runs of all time, and no one else thought they were worthy of a vote.


153 10 points (1 First place vote each) - TIE Cable (Joe Casey) - AKIRA (Otomo) - Fear Agent (Remender)
Cable (Joe Casey)

So Liefeld and Nicieza created Cable, and he was basically a badass with a gun and a confusing past. Casey took things in a slightly different direction, playing up his role as a spiritual leader of the Askani, a group of survivors from the future ravaged by Apocalypse. Casey's run played up a lot of the characteristics and responsibilities that shaped how Cable has been used in the books that followed, especially Cable's desire to look out for persecuted people and his spiritual side, alongside his role as a soldier that had always been there. Despite that, Casey always remembered to bring the action as well, and for that reason it's still one of the favorites for many Cable fans.


AKIRA (Otomo)
I'll be honest, I've never read this, but the movie is pretty cool. Katsuhiro Otomo wrote and provided art on what is historically considered one of the best magna of all time, as well as what was turned into one of the best anime movies of all time, not to mention easily one of the most famous in America. Created in 1982, the series ran as a serial in the pages of a Japanese publication called Young Magazine until it's completion in 1990. The story follows a post-WWIII world, the book takes place in 2030 in a city called Neo-Tokyo where violence and anti-government sentiment run rampant, and with good reason considering the number of evil government experiments and whatnot seen throughout the story. Beyond being a famous story beloved by millions, it's also one of the first magna to get a major reprint in America, thanks to Marvel's Epic imprint that reprinted the series in English starting in 1988.

Fear Agent (Remender)

Launched in 2005 at Image Comic, Rick Remender's Fear Agent follows a space faring alcoholic named Heath Huston who goes around killing off aliens that pose a threat to the planet Earth. The book is well known for its comedy and action, not really worrying about being "realistic" or "grim and gritty", the book is meant to be fun first and foremost. Following its initial 11 issue run, the book moved to Dark Horse and came out with a mini, followed by resuming the regular numbering and counting the mini as part of that. The series went on hiatus when Remender went to Marvel to screw up the Punisher by turning him into an undead monster, but returned in 2010 with a new storyline.



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[misac]

I'm actually going to start the third or four Fear Agent trade today.

[covalesky]

Fear Agent this low?!?!

My faith in humanity hits a new low.

[Greg]

Remender's Punisher is awesome.