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Postby Chris » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:52 pm

Woody wrote:ah- the classic, "If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have anything to hide" :roll:


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I can do it too. :wink:

But seriously. Do I know whoever is seeing what I'm looking up? Do they know me? What do I care if they know what I'm looking at? It has ZERO bearing on my day to day life.
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Postby Chris » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:54 pm

DeadFett wrote:I don't have anything to hide. But, that's not the point.


Then what is the point? Maybe I just don't get it. Why do people care about this?
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Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:02 pm

kingbobb wrote:The RIAA went after people that downloaded files from Napster. I don't think they or Viacom could go after people that just watched a film/heard a song playing over a computer that was not downloaded. If that were the case, anytime you heard someone else playing a CD, you'd be in violation of a copyright.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scot ... 029892.stm

A car repair firm has been taken to court accused of infringing musical copyright because its employees listen to radios at work.

The action against the Kwik-Fit Group has been brought by the Performing Rights Society which collects royalties for songwriters and performers.

At a procedural hearing at the Court of Session in Edinburgh a judge refused to dismiss the £200,000 damages claim.

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Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:18 pm

DaReekstah wrote:Then what is the point? Maybe I just don't get it. Why do people care about this?


Because if everyone thought like that, and unfortunately most people do, we wouldn't have any rights left at all.

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Postby Chris » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:40 pm

Thunderstorm wrote:Because if everyone thought like that, and unfortunately most people do, we wouldn't have any rights left at all.


Ok. But again.. why should I care if they're monitoring my searches?

Specifically. What is so bad about THIS specific thing?
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Postby GLX » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:12 pm

[quote="Thunderstorm"][/quote]

That's fucked up.
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Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:40 pm

DaReekstah wrote:Ok. But again.. why should I care if they're monitoring my searches?

Specifically. What is so bad about THIS specific thing?


Because Internet searches can be used for a variety of things. You may have a genuine interest in something like child pornography, due to a recent event in the news. However, without that context, something like that could paint a very different picture of you in a court of law.

Let's say Spiderrob goes to court for custody of his kids. Should his wifes lawyer decide to take this a slight step further and track his internet conversations, he could be seen as a potential adulterer due to his flirtations with Carrie. In the case I posted, had it gone to court, the mans MORALITY was being called into question based on his internet search records.

People shouldn't ever have to second guess whether they should look for information on any topic based on the possibility that it could be used against them. To me, this is a dangerous road to travel.

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Postby Jonathan » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:12 pm

nietoperz wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7488009.stm

Civil liberties take a new blow.


This is damn ridonkulous.

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Postby Lord Simian » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:33 pm

kingbobb wrote:At the same time, he mended his shield during Marvel's Secret War (1985) using nothing more than his incredible willpower.


Yeah, but to be utterly fair, and I say this as the biggest Cap fan you've ever met.... according to later stories, he screwed it up, and almost exploded EVERY bit of Vibranium on Earth because of it. ;)
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Postby DeadFett » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:06 am

DaReekstah wrote:Then what is the point? Maybe I just don't get it. Why do people care about this?


I care because it's one more way they're intruding on people's everyday life. It may start with something like this and snowball into bigger and bigger intrusions. It's a slippery slope.
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Postby Woody » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:17 am

DaReekstah wrote:Then what is the point? Maybe I just don't get it. Why do people care about this?
Why dont you just let them install cameras in your home as well- I mean, you wont know any of the people who are observing you and it wont affect your everyday life- right?

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Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:24 am

Again, you are using a private company to use the internet.

You do not own those records.

Your telephone records can be turned over during discovery in a civil suit too, if relevant.

Nothing new.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:26 am

Thunderstorm wrote:Let's say Spiderrob goes to court for custody of his kids. Should his wifes lawyer decide to take this a slight step further and track his internet conversations, he could be seen as a potential adulterer due to his flirtations with Carrie. .


:evil:

I don't flirt! :evil:

Actually, in the Christie Brinkley divorce, her husband's internet browsing history is becoming very important to the case-to demonstrate his cheating, porn use, etc.

$3,000 a month on porn. Yikes!

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Postby Thunderstorm » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:03 am

Woody wrote:Why dont you just let them install cameras in your home as well- I mean, you wont know any of the people who are observing you and it wont affect your everyday life- right?


That was actually brought up, seriously, in Houston... to protect the children of course.

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Postby Woody » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:03 am

Spiderrob wrote:Again, you are using a private company to use the internet.

You do not own those records.

Your telephone records can be turned over during discovery in a civil suit too, if relevant.

Nothing new.
but you aren't comparing apples to apples.

If that is the case then they should have to turn over each users records on a case by case basis. They can't make the phone company turn over the records of all their customers just because a company thinks a few of AT&T's customers might be sharing company secrets (I know its not a perfect metaphor). They should have to get each set of records for each user under a separate request.

To clarify: the problem I have is the company gets everyone who has ever used youtube's history, rather than needing at least a modicum of probable cause per each user they suspect of wrong doing.

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