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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Kurosawa » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:17 pm

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I never said he did kill him, just that the Goddamn GA Superman is awesome and greater appeal to a wide audience. Why not tweak the product further? Listen to all these people laugh at Superman's underwear.



What else? Lois should figure it out on her own and be his partner rather than an adversary? No problem, there's precedent for that in the comics. Superman shouldn't be a self aware, pretentious role model? No problem, there's precedent for that in the comics and more recently in animation as well. Superman can change back to something more resembling his GA roots and even further still to his roots in Gladiator and still be an authentic interpretation of the character.

Fans like you are stuck in the past and driven by nostalgia, so you can't appreciate deviation, even though your preferred SA version was an editorially mandated deviation to improve brand synergy with merchandise for children.



How so? GA Superman married Lois and SA Superman died a virgin. Did they ever show him sharing a bed with someone outside of an imaginary story?


You are so full of shit. It's stuff like this that makes everyone hate you. SA Superman had relationships with Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Lyla Lerrol, Sally Selwyn, and several other women. Just because they didn't show people in the sack back then doesn't mean it didn't happen. And it is clearly implied in "Who took the Super out of Superman?" that Lois spent the night at Clark's apartment.

Oh by the way, I've also seen people laugh at Batman's trunks. Pierce Brosnan turned down the part of Batman because of the trunks, even though the costume in Batman 1989 didn't have them:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/pie ... d=25084668

"I went and met with Tim Burton for the role of Batman," he said. "But I just couldn’t really take it seriously. Any man who wears his underpants outside his pants just cannot be taken seriously."
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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Rockman » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:20 pm

lol at Pierce Brosnan thinking he's above any role.

At least he was humble enough to play the boyfriend in Mrs. Doubtfire

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Rob Thompson » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:23 pm

Rockman wrote:lol at Pierce Brosnan thinking he's above any role.

At least he was humble enough to play the boyfriend in Mrs. Doubtfire

Brosnan is a pretty skilled actor. And he has been successful enough to be a bit choosy, I think.
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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Liam Rodgers » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:34 pm

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You are so full of shit. It's stuff like this that makes everyone hate you.


Everyone hates me because “Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.”- Albert Einstien

SA Superman had relationships with Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Lyla Lerrol, Sally Selwyn, and several other women. Just because they didn't show people in the sack back then doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Actually, it does.

And it is clearly implied in "Who took the Super out of Superman?" that Lois spent the night at Clark's apartment.


Is that an imaginary story?

Oh by the way, I've also seen people laugh at Batman's trunks. Pierce Brosnan turned down the part of Batman because of the trunks, even though the costume in Batman 1989 didn't have them:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/pie ... d=25084668

"I went and met with Tim Burton for the role of Batman," he said. "But I just couldn’t really take it seriously. Any man who wears his underpants outside his pants just cannot be taken seriously."


Jay Leno, Ellen Barkin and a live studio audience have the same problem. Why bother keeping the underwear when removing them is a viable alternative? You said yourself Burton didn't keep them and his Batman movies always worked out fine. Why is it such a deal breaker for Superman?

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Rockman » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:42 pm

You're crazy if you think that the new costume is what made that movie a success.

It gave the audiences mindless destruction for an hour or so, something the transformers movies have proved the audiences love.

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Rob Thompson » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:47 pm

Rockman wrote:You're crazy if you think that the new costume is what made that movie a success.

It gave the audiences mindless destruction for an hour or so, something the transformers movies have proved the audiences love.

Destruction, anyway. Not necessarily mindless.
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Postby Spektre » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:55 pm

Kurosawa wrote:SA Superman had relationships with Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Lyla Lerrol, Sally Selwyn, and several other women. Just because they didn't show people in the sack back then doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The Beast wrote:Actually, it does.


Waitaminute...So your saying because something is not EXPLICITLY SEEN, it didn't happen? Just checking, cuz I'm pretty sure no one explicitly saw 3 Kryptonian deaths in Superman II.
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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Liam Rodgers » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:59 pm

Rockman wrote:You're crazy if you think that the new costume is what made that movie a success.

It gave the audiences mindless destruction for an hour or so, something the transformers movies have proved the audiences love.


You're crazy to think that Man of Steel doesn't owe it's success to eliminating the most common complaints about Superman from casual fans.

-Superman is overpowered.
-Superman is a pacifist who always finds another way.
-Lois is too stupid to figure out his secret.
-He wears his underwear on the outside.

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Rockman » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:07 pm

The Beast wrote:
You're crazy to think that Man of Steel doesn't owe it's success to eliminating the most common complaints about Superman from casual fans.

-Superman is overpowered.
-Superman is a pacifist who always finds another way.
-Lois is too stupid to figure out his secret.
-He wears his underwear on the outside.


-He was overpowered in MoS
-Normal people do not complain about this, this makes the character interesting not boring.
-Got nothing there, Lois is a dumb character.
-no one really cares about this.

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Lord Simian » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:42 pm

"Is that an imaginary story?"

But then, aren't they all? :smt017

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby The Shadow » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:20 pm

Rob Thompson wrote:Eh, I think they are both all right. Personally I prefer the Man of Steel costume.

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I like the darker colours of MoS... truth be told I'd prefer a mixture of the two but the red trunks and lack of Nu52 lines make me prefer the older version.

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Postby The Shadow » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:18 pm

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Waitaminute...So your saying because something is not EXPLICITLY SEEN, it didn't happen? Just checking, cuz I'm pretty sure no one explicitly saw 3 Kryptonian deaths in Superman II.

And the pee... the entire DC universe, and Marvel for that matter, must all be wearing colostomy bags because we never see anyone explicitly go pee.

But then, we never explicitly see them emptying anything either so maybe they beam their pee out of their bladder? But then, we never explicitly see that either...

AARGH! HOW DO THEY PEE???????????????????????????????????? We never explicitly see them pee. :smt011

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Kurosawa » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:08 am

The Beast wrote:
You're crazy to think that Man of Steel doesn't owe it's success to eliminating the most common complaints about Superman from casual fans.

-Superman is overpowered.
-Superman is a pacifist who always finds another way.
-Lois is too stupid to figure out his secret.
-He wears his underwear on the outside.


It's really sad how you can't see what a great character Superman really is. That being so powerful changes the context of his stories from being mindless, violent slugfests to moral dilemmas. That his compassion and pacifism makes him unique and makes his stories deeper. That no one, including Lois, figures out his secret because of what a completely brilliant creation and alter ego that Clark Kent is. And that his costume reflects the time he was created, and more importantly, the hopes and dreams of the two kids who created him. The two kids who gave us this incredible world of superheroes and comic books, and that we should be grateful to them for what they created.

I guess it's like how Luthor felt in All-Star Superman when he got the powers and could finally see the beauty in the world that Superman sees, and finally understood why Superman loves everyone so much, even including him.

People love Superman because he cares. And people identify with Clark because he is us-fragile, imperfect. He is-or was-one of the most perfectly balanced characters ever created. And even today, 25 years after DC abandoned him, people still care enough about him to make a terrible, mindless movie that claimed to be about him a success. Not quite as big a success as a movie about a tree and a raccoon, but that movie had the advantage of actually being good and having a soul.
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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Popeye McFly » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:32 pm

Come on people, three pages to go.

MoS was a horrible movie.

The MoS costume made supes look like cookie dough with a cape.

The golden age is rudimentary shit.

Hell, lets talk politics again.

The U.S should pull out of Iraq cause we never should have been there in the first place.

Obama is an infinitely better president than Bush.

Fox News is a bunch of cunts.

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Re: Zack Snyder Trolls Fans, Says His Superman is True to Co

Postby Beige Lantern » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:37 pm

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