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Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

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The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:19 am

Thunderstorm wrote:If it hadn't been for the Big Bang, none of this would have happened. :smt011


That porno or the event?

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:23 am

Thunderstorm wrote:
You'd have to find an innocent black teen that bashes peoples heads into the pavement for that answer. But you'd be justified in killing people who look gay and are following you according to some posters.


Ouch.
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Frag

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Postby Frag » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:27 am

achilles wrote:
Say that he was innocent up till then and Zimmerman was wrong. So what? Say he made an honest mistake. How can you blame someone morally for a mistake honestly made?

You might put moral blame on him if he was thinking "Hey, that guy is black, he must be up to no good, since I hate blacks", which is pretty much what NBC tried to say when they presented the tape that they edited to give precisely that impression, (for which he's suing them). That I would understand and agree with.

But making an honest mistake---I would simply call it a tragedy all around and leave it at that.

Again, I don't particularly even like Zimmerman. He's not someone who IMO exercised good judgement. But I don't think he's to "blame" for what happened.

These long posts have me wondering what happened with Strict. Hope he's okay and the space bitches didn't get him...


I cut your response from where my argument begins. I think you can get blame people for making mistakes this costly. His punishment is he has to live with what he's done. Thats enough for me.
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habitual

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Postby habitual » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:37 am

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
I cut your response from where my argument begins. I think you can get blame people for making mistakes this costly. His punishment is he has to live with what he's done. Thats enough for me.


The guy's a borderline sociopath, the Hannity interview all, but, confirmed it.

Hab
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achilles

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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:40 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:
That porno or the event?


The porno. See Cat, what happened was there was a Mommy universe, and a Daddy universe, and they loved each other very much. So...presently, there was a baby universe born---yay! That's us! And then it aged, became a teenaged universe, went to college for a few billion years, went home to live in its parent's basement watching porn on the internet, and then finally married.

After its kids grew up, it downsized for a smaller home, and kept noisy kid universes off it's lawn. That's where we are today, the GOSD of universes.

Understand now?
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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:46 am

What was that Cat? Yes of course I'm drunk. :wink:



















Not actually. But then you could tell, right?
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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:52 am

habitual wrote:
No we do, the kid was walking back from the store.

Zimmerman was wrong, and because of it a kid was killed.

Dress it up all you like, but, that's what happened.

Hab


So, you believe Martin's parents saying that Martin was walking back from a store, but not Zimmerman's account? And you believe that Martin wasn't doing anything else, that he wasn't capable of doing two things at once? Like casing houses while walking home?

And, I would point out that Martin was wrong, wrong in attacking Zimmerman, and because of it Martin is dead. Which is the point all the marchers seem to leave out. They act like Martin was just minding his business when Zimmerman capped him because he was black, rather than because he wanted not to die.

That's actually what happened. Even the trial said that. The prosecutors tried to dress it up like Zimmerman was 'profiling" him, code for hating on him because he was black, but it came down to the fact that Martin made the fatal mistake. One that by the way many millions of 17 year olds over the years never would have made, Most of them would simply have run away or responded to questions without attacking. Martin chose differently.
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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:56 am

LobsterJ wrote:
No, there was a chance he was. There was also a chance he was secretly an alien and scouting landing spots for the invasion. Anything is "possible" but I don't think it gets us very far to present absurd theoreticals as real possibilities, especially when those theoreticals are being presented to us by a murderer.


Except that Zimmerman isn't. A jury acquitted him. Self-defense. And while it is a theoretical, it isn't absurd, considering he'd done burglary before. Just as he'd attacked people before. Nor did Zimmerman suggest that. I did. All Zimmerman said was that Martin was acting suspicious, like he was on drugs, (the latter was certainly true---in addition to the weed in his system, he was an admitted lean addict). So Zimmerman certainly was right there, and gained cred from that. As well as his description of the fight, which squared with the evidence, eyewitness testimony, and the opinion of Hab's favorite detective.
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habitual

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Postby habitual » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:57 am

achilles wrote:
So, you believe Martin's parents saying that Martin was walking back from a store, but not Zimmerman's account?


That's correct.

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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:39 am

habitual wrote:
That's correct.

Hab


Ah then, can I interest you in a few dozen more posts? :wink:
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Postby Frag » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:07 pm

achilles wrote:
Except that Zimmerman isn't. A jury acquitted him. Self-defense. And while it is a theoretical, it isn't absurd, considering he'd done burglary before. Just as he'd attacked people before. Nor did Zimmerman suggest that. I did. All Zimmerman said was that Martin was acting suspicious, like he was on drugs, (the latter was certainly true---in addition to the weed in his system, he was an admitted lean addict). So Zimmerman certainly was right there, and gained cred from that. As well as his description of the fight, which squared with the evidence, eyewitness testimony, and the opinion of Hab's favorite detective.


FYI, the weed in his system was probably old and already debunked by experts as a source of his "suspicious" behavior.

As far as the "lean" addict, that is based on two leaps. An online post to a friend from more than a year before the shooting and the fact they had Skittles and Iced Tea. Lean is made with cough syrup, candy and soda. Iced tea isn't soda. They usually use Sprite and Jolly Ranchers. Calling him an "admitted lean addict" is a bit too far.
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Postby alaska1125 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:26 pm

My two cents: The prosecution overplayed it with second degree murder. that said, if you've ever had the "pleasure" of sitting on a jury (I have), then you'd understand there are pretty strict guidelines that you are supposed to follow. The prosecution didn't make the case. And yeah, it's always going to be a bitter pill to swallow depending on your view of the case. The Casey Anthony trial did that for me. But at the end of the day, the jury did what they were tasked with. Obviously the AG is going to go for the Civil Rights charge. I say go for it...if the burden of proof is there.
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Postby HNutz » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:10 pm

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
FYI, the weed in his system was probably old and already debunked by experts as a source of his "suspicious" behavior.


Even if Martin wasn't under the influence at the moment, he still could have been acting "paranoid", as Zimmerman pointed out.
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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:37 pm

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
FYI, the weed in his system was probably old and already debunked by experts as a source of his "suspicious" behavior.

As far as the "lean" addict, that is based on two leaps. An online post to a friend from more than a year before the shooting and the fact they had Skittles and Iced Tea. Lean is made with cough syrup, candy and soda. Iced tea isn't soda. They usually use Sprite and Jolly Ranchers. Calling him an "admitted lean addict" is a bit too far.


I didn't claim the weed in his system made him act high, merely that it was plausible that his behavior convinced Zimmerman that he might be. And that the weed in his system showed it wasn't a huge leap.

As for the lean, no, it isn't a leap at all, considering Martin's own words online, where he admits being a lean addict, calls lean "awesome", and mentions that he intended to score some more. As for the ingredients, from my research, it uses a variety of ingredients. Arizona watermelon ice tea and skittles is one favorite combo for it.
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Postby achilles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:41 pm

alaska1125 wrote:My two cents: The prosecution overplayed it with second degree murder. that said, if you've ever had the "pleasure" of sitting on a jury (I have), then you'd understand there are pretty strict guidelines that you are supposed to follow. The prosecution didn't make the case. And yeah, it's always going to be a bitter pill to swallow depending on your view of the case. The Casey Anthony trial did that for me. But at the end of the day, the jury did what they were tasked with. Obviously the AG is going to go for the Civil Rights charge. I say go for it...if the burden of proof is there.


Actually, they're not going to go with it. Obama's already been preparing his supporters for that. Largely because they have no grounds. They can't charge him like the Rodney King officers, that law only applies to LEOs. And for the other possible law, all the evidence currently extant goes Zimmerman's way, showing that he is not motivated by race. Hell, the FBI investigation found no evidence to support the idea that he is racist against black, and plenty to show that he isn't. Especially considering he himself is part black.

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